[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by jerzy

Only so much for a man who with his elite "...hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty…"

Post #51.



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
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[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by Choleric

Um...

Already answered (Post #118).



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[jerzy]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

Post #51.



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Since "We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty…" we can do and say whatever we feel like.

We can even admit to the Truth from time to time:

Cruciform

Catholics believe that the Father is the only true God.

There are no other Gods.

This is absolutely true. Catholics affirm that the Father is the only true God.

Trinitarians are not tritheists---we do not affirm the existence of three gods.

How can I make this any clearer?

[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by jerzy

Since..

Post #51.



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Cruciform
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[jerzy]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

Post #51.



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Let’s see your post 51 again:

It is simply a waste of time trying to engage in any sort of rational discussion with jerzy, a "pearls-before-swine" case if there ever was one. The guy really does put the "mental" in "funadamentalist."

Most of the Catholics here have learned to simply ignore his ravings, and move on to others who actually exhibit some hope of reason or reality. Caveat emptor.

So you can’t even improve upon your ability of insulting jerzy this time?

You certainly made a full of yourself so many times that you finally know that each time you open your mouth you make even a bigger full of yourself.

Anyway, these insults suffice to know your fruits.

You are just witnessing to the ungodly and barbaric acts of your forefathers who would have killed (you would have done it to if you were allowed, wouldn't you Cruciform?) such a swine like me who rejects their "pearls".

The barbarism of your forefathers was really a pearl. Even the Roman soldiers were not as crafted in barbarism as your forefathers were. No wonder why Daniel was so moved by the vision of the little horn.

The following of the Christ by your forefathers was another great "pearl".

The famous declaration: "We hol upon this earth the place of God Almighty" sums it all up very well.

[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by jerzy

Let’s...

Post #51.



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[jerzy]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

Post #51.



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You hold on this earth the place of God Almighty but can not roast me for pointing to God’s word and to the Catholic barbarism.

What an irony, Cruciform.

All you can do is to direct to your verbal vulgar abuse.

[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by jerzy

You hold on this earth the place of God Almighty but can not roast me for pointing to God’s word and to the Catholic barbarism.What an irony, Cruciform.All you can do is to direct to your verbal vulgar abuse.

Post #51.



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[jerzy]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

Post #51.



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Anyway, it’s better then making a fool of yourself (as usual) whenever you open your mouth.

[Cruciform]

Congrats, jerzy! In several years of forum activity, you're the first individual I've ever placed on "ignore." Ahhh... No more childishly irrational babbling from jerzy...



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[oatmeal]

Originally Posted by Hobie

I was doing some work on the Greeks and how they pick up and passed on to the Romans the ancient Babylonian sun gods and system of worship, when I came across a interesting sermon that really hit the issue dead center.

'...Pope is a shortened title for Pontifex Maximus. In Greek it means father. The Pontifex Maximus (meaning king of sacrifices or servant to the triads, as well as the "greatest bridge-maker between the gods and men") was the high priest of the College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum) in ancient Rome. It's a pagan title that was incorporated from the Etruscan-Latin polytheistic culture (700 BC) who lived before the Romans. These early people (just like the Romans) had built great temples to the gods and goddess of the day. They also had a pagan triad. Eventually the Etruscans were conquered by Rome.

The title Pontifex Maximus (Pope) is mentioned numerous times by the early Catholic Church fathers (especially by Tertullian), but it was not applied to a Catholic bishop until much later on. The early Catholics said that the Pontifex Maximus was the "King of Heathendom," the evil high priest of the pagan mystery religion of Rome. This post was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion. A distinctly religious office under the early Roman Republic, it gradually became politicized until, beginning with Augustus, it was subsumed into the Imperial office. It's last use with reference to the emperors is in inscriptions of Gratian (reigned 375-383). He was then urged by the Catholic bishops to renounce the cultic Roman title, and instead grant it to their exalted leading bishop over Rome.

Pontifex Maximus is a name that's being used by the Roman Catholic Church clergy today. Though it may be abbreviated into Pope or Papa, yet it's clearly a title incorporated directly from paganism. Interesting to note that the all the pagan pontiffs or popes held that office for life. Exactly like the Catholics Popes. And their cult members met and elected a successor, who after his election became the next Pope or Pontifex Maximus (Dionys. II.22, 73). Just like the election held by the Catholic Church cardinals to choose a new Pope. The Pontifex Maximus was the guardian of the Vestal virgins. The Roman Catholic Church has simply named them Nuns instead. Many historians agree that the idea for the powers of the pope with the College of Cardinals came from the Pagan College of Pontiffs with its Sovereign Pontiff which had no doubt been in Rome from the earliest times, and must have been framed on the order of the original Council of Pontiffs at Babylon. It's also obvious to any historian that while the Catholics have called themselves Christians, they more closely resemble the ancient pagans both in customs and names. Pope Gregory I (601 AD) said in so many words literally, "We must compromise with the pagans in order to further Christianity."...'

http://www.upublish.info/Article/The...aximus-/693298

There are elements of Christianity in the RCC, but not many

[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by oatmeal

There are elements of Christianity in the RCC, but not many

There are elements of Christ's historic Catholic Church in Protestantism, but not enough.



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[jerzy]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

Congrats, jerzy! In several years of forum activity, you're the first individual I've ever placed on "ignore." Ahhh... No more childishly irrational babbling from jerzy...



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Cruciform must have been told to keep his mouth shut to prevent making the Catholic Church a laughing stock by his vulgar verbal abuses and by such statements on their behalf:

Cruciform

Catholics believe that the Father is the only true God.

There are no other Gods.

This is absolutely true. Catholics affirm that the Father is the only true God.

Trinitarians are not tritheists---we do not affirm the existence of three gods.

How can I make this any clearer?


However, we do not hold that ONLY the Father is the only true God[/u].

On the contrary, the Son and the Spirit are ALSO the only true God.

... each is God

Each is equally "the only true God”.

There are no other Gods besides the one true God. The Father, Son, and Spirit are not seperate Beings (Gods), but only distinct Persons who are all the one true God.

...the Father, Son, and Spirit are not separate "Gods" (Beings) but merely distinct divine Persons.

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...t=76966&page=3 See post 43
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...=77309&page=27 See post 404.
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums....php?p=2954237 See post 2.
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...=77309&page=27 See post 391.

He also causes the Catholic paganism and barbarism to surface every time he posts so he must avoid the "childishly irrational babbling from jerzy" keep coming up against them.

By their fruits....

[jerzy]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

There are elements of Christ's historic Catholic Church in Protestantism, but not enough.



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Is there more "elements of Christ's...Church" in the Catholic Church because they placed themselves “on earth in the place of God Almighty” and butchered more people than the Protestant Churches?

Who blessed Mussolini for the great Trinitarian man slaughter of WW 2?

Who turned against God?

Encyclical Letter of Pope Leo XIII
June 20, 1894
To Our Venerable Brethren, all Patriarchs, Primates, Archbishops and Bishops of the Catholic World
In Grace and Communion with the Apostolic See

5. But since We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty…

Who turned Christianity into paganism?

325 AD - Constantine convenes the Council of Nicaea in order to develop a statement of faith that can unify the church. The Nicene Creed is written, declaring that "the Father and the Son are of the same substance" (homoousios). Emperor Constantine who was also the high priest of the pagan religion of the Unconquered Sun presided over this council. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica:
"Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions and personally proposed the crucial formula expressing the relationship of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council. "of one substance with the Father."

The American Academic Encyclopedia states:
"Although this was not Constantine’s first attempt to reconcile factions in Christianity, it was the first time he had used the imperial office to IMPOSE a settlement."

At the end of this council, Constantine sided with Athanasius over Arius and exiled Arius to Illyria.

328 AD - Athanasius becomes bishop of Alexandria.

328 AD - Constantine recalls Arius from Illyria.

335 AD - Constantine now sides with Arius and exiles Athanasius to Trier.

337 AD - A new emperor, Contantius, orders the return of Athanasius to Alexandria.

339 AD - Athanasius flees Alexandria in anticipation of being expelled.

341 AD - Two councils are held in Antioch this year. During this council, the First, Second, and Third Arian Confessions are written, thereby beginning the attempt to produce a formal doctrine of faith to oppose the Nicene Creed.

343 AD - At the Council of Sardica, Eastern Bishops demand the removal of Athanasius.

346 AD - Athanasius is restored to Alexandria.

351 AD - A second anti - Nicene council is held in Sirmium.

353 AD - A council is held at Aries during Autumn that is directed against Athanasius.

355 AD - A council is held in Milan. Athanasius is again condemned.

356 AD - Athanasius is deposed on February 8th, beginning his third exile.

357 AD - Third Council of Sirmium is convened. Both homoousios and homoiousios are avoided as unbiblical, and it is agreed that the Father is greater than His subordinate Son.

359 AD - The Synod of Seleucia is held which affirms that Christ is "like the Father," It does not however, specify how the Son is like the Father.

361 AD - A council is held in Antioch to affirm Arius’ positions.

380 AD - Emperor Theodosius the Great declares Christianity the official state religion of the empire.

381 AD - The First Council of Constantinople is held to review the controversy since Nicaea. Emperor Theodosius the Great establishes the creed of Nicaea as the standard for his realm. The Nicene Creed is re-evaluated and accepted with the addition of clauses on the Holy Spirit and other matters. (History of Arian Controversy)

If you believe that Nicaea just formalized the prevalent teaching of the church, then there really should not have been any conflicts. Why should there be? If it were the established teaching of the church, then you would expect people to either accept it, or not be Christians. It would be like me being a member of the Communist Party. I would join it knowing that they do not believe in the ownership of private property, no conflict. But now, say after I have been a member of the party for a few years, someone decides to introduce a proposal that we allow the ownership of private property, not everyone in the party is going to agree, the result is conflict. This is similar to what happened in the church. It was not the established teaching, and when some faction of the church tried to make it official, the result was major conflict.

At least Arian has written History on his side.

Taken from my Trinity Talk thread!
Paul

Pope Gregory I (601 AD)

We must compromise with the pagans in order to further Christianity.

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

There are elements of Christ's historic Catholic Church in Protestantism, but not enough.



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Protestants mostly hold to the same heresies of trinitarianism as Catholics do.

The blasphemous doctrine is formulated to remove the mediatorship from Heaven of Gods Son and replace it with the Pope and all the little Popes.

LA