[tetelestai]

Originally Posted by SaulToPaul

Well, that's what God said.

Why don't you believe him? Is he able to do it?

I believe that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy

You think that literal waters will flow into literal seas:

(Zech 14:8 KJV) And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Besides the fact that Jesus fulfilled Zech 14:8, the following poses a big problem for your theory:

(Rev 21:1 KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

[NewDay]

Originally Posted by tetelestai

I believe that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy

You think that literal waters will flow into literal seas:

(Zech 14:8 KJV) And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Besides the fact that Jesus fulfilled Zech 14:8, the following poses a big problem for your theory:

(Rev 21:1 KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

[john w]

Originally Posted by tetelestai

I believe that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy

You think that literal waters will flow into literal seas:

(Zech 14:8 KJV) And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Besides the fact that Jesus fulfilled Zech 14:8, the following poses a big problem for your theory:

(Rev 21:1 KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

"You think that literal waters will flow into literal seas:"-Tet. the humanist


An atheist to Tet.'s great, great, great grandpappy: You think that there was a literal Adam and Eve, a literal flood that destroyed most of the earth, a literal parting of the Red Sea, a literal Joshua, who, with the Israelites, marched around Jericho, and the walls fell down, a "god" literally becoming a man, literally being born via a virgin conception, literally walking on water, literally being crucified on a cross "made by human hands," a "man made" cross, literally rising from the dead, from a literal tomb, and literally ascending to heaven, and literally coming back to earth?


Tet: Well, you see, uh, urr............you are right.

Tet.-the humanist. What I cannot understand, I will not believe. So, I will reduce the book to what I believe. It's called a sophisticated form of idolatry, and humanism. Atheists use the same "argument" against hell, for eg.Liberals also use this "human reasoning" viewpoint.

The atheist: I don't see how there can be a hell. It does not seem to me that God would make a hell. Therefore, there isn't one=idolatry=My mind is my "god." What I cannot conceive, I will not believe. What I cannot understand, I will not accept. So, I will reduce the "volume of the book" to what I believe. I just cannot believe that there is a God of wrath, so there is no God of wrath.


You talk like an atheist, Craigie Tet.-they talk like you.
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Tet: All prophecy has been fulfilled.

"Besides the fact that Jesus fulfilled Zech 14:8, the following poses a big problem for your theory:"-Tet.


Very "subtil," Craigie-you learned that back in Genesis 3 ff...


"it shall be in that day,Zech. 14 KJV verses 9-12, not just verse 8, Preterist con artist.


Zech. 14

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.



Tet: Jerusalem is safely inhabited today! It is today a "city of truth!"....


Zechariah 8:3 KJV
Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.


Jerusalem is today "The City of righteousness," "the faithful city!".....


Isaiah 1:26 KJV
And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city.


..as I have a condo there today there in Jerusalem, in which I stayed recently, at the annual Preterist Bible Conference! Here is a photo of me in my tank in Jerusalem!







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"The kingdom where there is no more death, tears, and sadness exists right now.....Yes, we are living in the millennial reign right now."-Craigy Tet.

[SaulToPaul]

Originally Posted by chatmaggot

I asked you earlier to link to or to quote that which you accused StP of doing and you have not done so.

I'd love to see it, too.

[Colossians]

Voltaire,

guess it all depends on what your idea of "praise" is. If you are talking about the fake, boring as hell crap they call "praise" on TBN and the like, I am afraid you are sadly mistaken.
I'm talking about praise, pure and simple. There is only one sort.



I see you have a hatred for the physical.
I have no hatred for the physical whatsoever.



If God hated the physical, he would never have gone into such great detail in putting a physical universe together.
God made the physical realm to teach us by comparison that the physical realm is vanity compared to the eternal things of the Spirit.

So at one level the physical realm is majestic, showing forth the works of God and the invisible properties of God. And at another level, it is vanity, being nothing in comparison to those actual invisible properties of God.

For if the physical points to the invisible, then how much more majestic the invisible?

[Colossians]

StP,

I'd love to see it, too.
Rather, I'd love to see you reply to what I have stated to you (which you have deliberately avoided) at post 62.

Here it is again in a nutshell:

You say the New Jerusalem is a city, but you are thinking of a populated city, and in fact thinking primarily of a lot of people rather than the physical structure the city of Rev 21:9 is presented as.

Rev 21:9 is not speaking of whole lot of people coming down from outerspace with Doctor Spok directing the ship as it descends to earth. This is your childlike, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed idea, where spiritual things consist of coloured bubbles and 'happily-ever-after' fairytales.

Rev 21:9 rather speaks of a physical structure (2,400 kms high, 2,400 kms wide, and 2,400 kms long: a cube with sides = 2,400 kms), which is a metaphor for the fact that the Body of Christ is the building and workmanship of God.

It is simply saying that the Body of Christ, which Paul declares is God's building, is on earth, and that life is found in that Body, and in fact the River of Life and the Tree of Life, which is Christ Jesus. For Jesus has said: "where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of you".

So it is not speaking of things which compete with the Cross for attention (your ideas), but of the Cross itself. Similarly, Armageddon is also a figure for the triumph of Calvary.

The physical realm will disappear when Christ returns, and the spiritual realm will be the only thing left standing. You have been told this time and time again, yet your stiff neck won't submit to it. Thus you are like the Pharisees.

One other thing you need to take on board: short, quippy little answers don't make you look intelligent, only precocsious and smug. So you'll have to drop the high opinion of yourself instilled in you by your gurus: you're actually not that bright, for you can't think outside the square you've been taught to think in.

And in fact I've discerned that you're actually frightened to think outside that square, lest your world view come tumbling down and you be left with no foundation. So the bravado you like to display, is not fooling me: you're actually quite frightened deep down within.

It is clear to me that you have come into Christianity not via the pure milk of the evangelical gospel, but through a particular system of thought: you have entered Christianity with the gospel's being in tandem with an eschatological system, and thus your foundation is polluted.

So when you first came to the scripture, you didn't come looking at the Cross on its own, but came looking for confirmation of what you were told by your gurus that you would find, and because they instructed you where to find what they wanted you to find, of course you found what they wanted you to find, which led you to think their ideas confirmed. But it was all just circular proofing.

What is also in line with your cult-like mentality (your mind does indeed present as one who is brainwashed, for you are one-tracked), is that you are not the slightest bit interested in the explanations I have provided for you in the Opening Post, concerning the entire passage, line by line. For you are afraid to really look into these matters lest you become unsettled and the carpet be pulled from under you.

It's funny how people who can recognise other cults as cults, can't recognise that they are in one themselves. The reason, of course, is pride. You are a very proud person Mr Saul-to-Paul, and that pride will choke you in the end. Jesus said: "he to whom little is given, even the little he has shall be taken away from him". Be ware lest you be in the end, such a person. I have known people very closely who thought they were in the faith, and indeed for years, but because they continually resisted the Spirit in a certain area, God took away the little they had, and they are now apostate.

[SaulToPaul]

Originally Posted by Colossians

StP,

I'd love to see it, too.
Rather, I'd love to see you reply to what I have stated to you (which you have deliberately avoided) at post 62.

The entire thread was devoted to something I supposedly said.

Show me the quote.

[Colossians]

As I said to you, your one-liner answers which you think make you look sharp and intelligent, are simply your prideful way of resisting truth and 'burying' text directed to you, so that it disappears from the view of the audience.

Essentially you divorce any teaching given you, from its context: you slice and dice and segregate things so that it loses its impetus. This way you feel you can control the debate.

But if I were to move into full debate mode rather than teaching mode, I would make you look more than silly. But I will remain in teaching mode these days.

I have pointed out to you that you are not as intelligent as you think you are, being not able to think outside the square you have been made to think in by your teachers. You in fact don't even think your own thoughts, but simply parrot the thoughts of your gurus: you have learned a 'system' and so repeat that system to us.

And so I have pointed out that you are frightened to examine any comprehensive teaching given to you, lest the carpet be pulled from under you.

And so you have not paid any attention to the opening post, and never will.

In a nutshell, you are simply frightened to really allow your ideas to stand the test of scrutiny and cross examination. For they are all you've got. Your 'flighty' clever-quip one-liner style, doesn't fool me: I know it is basically just your way of deflecting any requirement to really allow your ideas to be subject to the full counsel of scripture, as well as logic.

Enjoy your sleep. I trust that by this stage in life you've learned to block out thoughts which might suggest you're insulating yours ideas from scrutiny.

[SaulToPaul]

The entire thread was devoted to something I supposedly said.

Show me the quote.

[SaulToPaul]

Originally Posted by Colossians

I have pointed out to you that you are not as intelligent as you think you are,

I am as dumb as a box of rocks.

But, I can read 6th grade English and believe it.

I believe the City is a city.

[NewDay]

A quote:

If God hated the physical, he would never have gone into such great detail in putting a physical universe together.

Col:

God made the physical realm to teach us by comparison that the physical realm is vanity compared to the eternal things of the Spirit.

So at one level the physical realm is majestic, showing forth the works of God and the invisible properties of God. And at another level, it is vanity, being nothing in comparison to those actual invisible properties of God.

For if the physical points to the invisible, then how much more majestic the invisible?

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tetelestai]

Originally Posted by john w

Tet.-the humanist. What I cannot understand, I will not believe. .

I believe the words of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ said the prophecy was fulfilled

(John 7:38 KJV) He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

You and the dispensationalists deny the words of the Lord Jesus Christ. You and the dispensationalists claim that the living waters prophecy is still unfulfilled, you guys claim that it has to be literal.

BTW, when you paste a picture that is really large, it messes up every page of the thread. We now have to scroll from left to right to read a post because of the picture you pasted.

[Paulos]

Originally Posted by tetelestai

I believe the words of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ said the prophecy was fulfilled

(John 7:38 KJV) He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

[John W] and the dispensationalists deny the words of the Lord Jesus Christ.

"Yea, hath God said?" -- MADists

[NewDay]

Originally Posted by tetelestai

I believe the words of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ said the prophecy was fulfilled

(John 7:38 KJV) He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

You and the dispensationalists deny the words of the Lord Jesus Christ. You and the dispensationalists claim that the living waters prophecy is still unfulfilled, you guys claim that it has to be literal.

BTW, when you paste a picture that is really large, it messes up every page of the thread. We now have to scroll from left to right to read a post because of the picture you pasted.

wonder how many times it should be said, before it sinks in?

[glorydaz]

Originally Posted by SaulToPaul

The entire thread was devoted to something I supposedly said.

Show me the quote.

You still haven't been presented
with any evidence
of what you supposedly said?

I see you're being accused of being filled with pride.

Sorry, but I can't help ROFLMBO.

How did you get so lucky?