As far as Israeli settlements in "Palestinian territories" since when do we go along with prohibiting someone of a particular race or religion living in whatever neighborhood they wish?
Since the Fourth Geneva Convention. Specifically:
Article 33: prohibition of collective punishment, pillaging and reprisals -
Article 49: prohibition of population transfers -
Article 53: prohibition of the destruction of property -
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July 10th, 2012, 01:46 PM
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And because of this I'm supposed to attribute some special cosmic significance to Jerusalem?
That's a bit of a stretch.
It's a bit of a stretch to not see that there is something different about Israel's story.
"God foreknows nothing by contingency, but that he foresees, purposes, and does all things according to his immutable, eternal and infallible will. By this thunderbolt, "free will" is thrown prostrate and utterly dashed to pieces. Those therefore, who would assert "free will," must either deny this thunderbolt, or pretend not to see it, or push it from them." -Martin Luther
"The Church has surrendered her once lofty concept of God and has substituted for it one so low, so ignoble, as to be utterly unworthy of thinking, worshiping men. This she has not done deliberately, but little by little and without her knowledge; and her very unawareness only makes her situation all the more tragic." -A.W. Tozer
"He that has doctrinal knowledge and speculation only, without affection, never is engaged in the business of religion." -Jonathan Edwards
Thats just it though, Israel isnt occupying anything its their land.
Bada bing! There you go. Christian Zionists live in a different world than all the rest of us.
Still, I think it's hardness of heart that allows Christian Zionists to embrace all the evils of the great Kabbalistic 666 and to show contempt and coldness toward the Palestinians. Bad doctrine can get you off track for sure, but it takes a stoney heart to cleave to that doctrine when you see all the evils and inconsistency it supports. It requires an individual with a heart of flesh to be driven to challenge the doctrine and ask the question, 'is this really you, God!?!?' Where are the hearts of flesh?
Bada bing! There you go. Christian Zionists live in a different world than all the rest of us.
Still, I think it's hardness of heart that allows Christian Zionists to embrace all the evils of the great Kabbalistic 666 and to show contempt and coldness toward the Palestinians. Bad doctrine can get you off track for sure, but it takes a stoney heart to cleave to that doctrine when you see all the evils and inconsistency it supports. It requires an individual with a heart of flesh to be driven to challenge the doctrine and ask the question, 'is this really you, God!?!?' Where are the hearts of flesh?
You lie. There is no such thing as Israel "occupied" Palestinian owned land there -Here is the truth:
We've been through this before so no need being nasty just for the sake of being nasty. You posted that very same video, the truth, ACCORDING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL!!!
It's full of deceit and distortions. Imagine that, one party in the dispute giving a biased account. But that, in your mind, is truth.
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July 12th, 2012, 07:10 AM
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We've been through this before so no need being nasty just for the sake of being nasty. You posted that very same video, the truth, ACCORDING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL!!!
It's full of deceit and distortions. Imagine that, one party in the dispute giving a biased account. But that, in your mind, is truth.
Have you looked a mirror lately.
Your bias sticks out light a monstrous carbuncle!
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July 12th, 2012, 09:27 AM
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And what exactly is that "something different"?
You tell me.
"God foreknows nothing by contingency, but that he foresees, purposes, and does all things according to his immutable, eternal and infallible will. By this thunderbolt, "free will" is thrown prostrate and utterly dashed to pieces. Those therefore, who would assert "free will," must either deny this thunderbolt, or pretend not to see it, or push it from them." -Martin Luther
"The Church has surrendered her once lofty concept of God and has substituted for it one so low, so ignoble, as to be utterly unworthy of thinking, worshiping men. This she has not done deliberately, but little by little and without her knowledge; and her very unawareness only makes her situation all the more tragic." -A.W. Tozer
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July 12th, 2012, 01:18 PM
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I don't see anything to differentiate it from any other piece of real estate that has been fought over by various rival barbarian tribes.
I'm not speaking solely of the land, but also of the Israelites as a people.
"God foreknows nothing by contingency, but that he foresees, purposes, and does all things according to his immutable, eternal and infallible will. By this thunderbolt, "free will" is thrown prostrate and utterly dashed to pieces. Those therefore, who would assert "free will," must either deny this thunderbolt, or pretend not to see it, or push it from them." -Martin Luther
"The Church has surrendered her once lofty concept of God and has substituted for it one so low, so ignoble, as to be utterly unworthy of thinking, worshiping men. This she has not done deliberately, but little by little and without her knowledge; and her very unawareness only makes her situation all the more tragic." -A.W. Tozer
"He that has doctrinal knowledge and speculation only, without affection, never is engaged in the business of religion." -Jonathan Edwards
Have you looked a mirror lately.
Your bias sticks out light a monstrous carbuncle!
Let me break this down for you, Bybee, so it's really easy. As I said earlier, we aren't talking about female circumcision which, I don't even know if Palestinian Arabs practice that. We also aren't talking about whatever right to exist the 666 may have (don't shout me down, the star of kabballah wasn't my idea).
The main battle we're talking about here vis-a-vis the suffering of the Palestinians at the hands of the conquering Israelis has those two sides, the Israelis v. the Palestinians. Of course, many Israelis fight for the welfare of the Palestinians. At the same time, there probably are Palestinians who would just like to see all Jews die. So, there are different kinds of people in each camp but still, the main camps are the Palestinians fighting for their interests and the Israelis fighting for their interests.
Now, here's the tricky part. That video was made by one of those two parties, the government of Israel. Me, whom you accuse of bias, I'm neither Palestinian nor Israeli. Are you kind of getting this? I'm neutral, my only bias is toward righteousness and justice. The government of Israel...can you see what I'm saying?
Bybee, my real gripe is with the church. I'm mad that unchristlike Christians have been suckered by unscriptual doctrines and have been too unfeeling and indifferent to shake those doctrines down against timeless values that include the unity of the bloodlines of all people.
July 12th, 2012, 07:10 AM
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