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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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July 7th, 2012, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by highlife
husband and wife living as brother and sister, how utterly foolish, and you wonder why people write off the catholic church.
Translation: "I don't like that! I want things MY way!"
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What do you say to a person who can not live with their burning passion...
You mean like a rapist or an adulterer, for example?
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That should show people the grace and forgiveness of christ for past transgressions...NOT.
Jesus Christ completely forgave the woman caught in adultery. But he did not allow her to remain in her sin. Rather, Christ commanded her to "Go and sin nomore" (Jn. 8:11). No doubt Jesus' moral expectations "cramped her style." Wonder if she whined and complained about her "quality of life"...
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Does the catholic chruch dismiss pauls allowance for divorce and remarriage in corinthians too?
Chapter and verse, please.
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WAY too much legalism for me.
"legalism" = "the parts of God's moral law that highlife finds inconvenient for his desires"
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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July 7th, 2012, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by highlife
No where I could find in your links is birth control specificly a sin, there is a difference between curses and plages of the land and individual behavior that is clearly writen as sin.
You've already been sufficiently answered on this. It's clear that you've already made up your mind to do as you please, no matter what lies you have to tell yourself. As you like.
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And OS - oral sex but I wont go further than that as it is inappropraite for a discussoin board but is an important topic since its no where explicitly in the bible and its a profound quality of life issue.
Where precisely does the Catechism forbid OS between spouses under proper moral conditions?
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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love others as u love yourself... and thank God you dont have to like them
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July 8th, 2012, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
Translation: "I don't like that! I want things MY way!"
You mean like a rapist or an adulterer, for example?
Jesus Christ completely forgave the woman caught in adultery. But he did not allow her to remain in her sin. Rather, Christ commanded her to "Go and sin nomore" (Jn. 8:11). No doubt Jesus' moral expectations "cramped her style." Wonder if she whined and complained about her "quality of life"...
Chapter and verse, please.
"legalism" = "the parts of God's moral law that highlife finds inconvenient for his desires"
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love others as u love yourself... and thank God you dont have to like them
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July 9th, 2012, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by highlife
No where I could find in your links is birth control specificly a sin, there is a difference between curses and plages of the land and individual behavior that is clearly writen as sin.
And OS - oral sex but I wont go further than that as it is inappropraite for a discussoin board but is an important topic since its no where explicitly in the bible and its a profound quality of life issue.
profound quality of life issue??????
what the devil does THAT mean???
i haven't had any sex in something like 100 years (OK, just seems like it, to my body...
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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July 9th, 2012, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Angel4Truth
I think cruciform and truthsetsfree are the same person
Nope. I almost never use the word "dude."
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
You've already been sufficiently answered on this. It's clear that you've already made up your mind to do as you please, no matter what lies you have to tell yourself. As you like.
Where precisely does the Catechism forbid OS between spouses under proper moral conditions?
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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It simply means I cant be a catholic, I would be ineligible to join. And since I dont want to get a warning the OS I am refering to would not be sanctioned by the catholic chruch (ie OS on a man to completion, hopefully thats not too far to get a warning).
So I guess I could attend mass but I can think of 100 better things to do if I cant take communion. Communion is THE whole point of spending the time to gather.
It is telling when some catholics are down right hostile to others simply because we are ineligable.
Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation
it is the Church that interprets Scripture.
Christ established a CHURCH ... St Mt 16:18
he never said to write anything
((( Interpret this, or just quote it )))!!!!
If the Walls of Christ’s Church / ( Body ); - if the “Walls” of Jesus’ Church is built of ( Christians ) ((( 1 Peter 2:5 KJV - ))), -- would some, - or any ( Catholic member of their body, or church ) tell us just what the “Walls” of the Catholic church / ( body ) are built of, if not (( Catholics ))?? – Can’t anyone See the difference between the Lord’s Church and any other church or body????? - The Catholic body is made up of Catholics because all the Christians make up ( Christ’s Body, the Church ). --- How can that possibly be stated wrong??? --- (( Or does it matter ))?????
Paul – 071112
---Gal. 4:16.
---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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July 11th, 2012, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by highlife
...the OS I am refering to would not be sanctioned by the catholic chruch (ie OS on a man to completion...
Correct. That would be an objective misuse of one's sexual faculties.
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So I guess I could attend mass but I can think of 100 better things to do if I cant take communion. Communion is THE whole point of spending the time to gather.
Before my wife and I entered the Catholic Church, we spent three years attending Mass at our local Catholic parish. Every week, while others went forward to receive the Eucharist, we stayed in our seats and prayed. We wished to show faithfulness in the small things in the hope that we would eventually be blessed with the opportunity to be faithful in bigger things. We attended Mass faithfully, thereby showing our agreement with and support for the Catholic teaching on the Eucharist, and for the Catholic Christians in the pews around us. Even though we couldn't then receive the Eucharist, we were content with the awareness that we were witnessing Christ's Real Presence in the Sacrament of Holy Communion. Of course, when we finally did become Catholic and were able to receive the Eucharist for ourselves---well, that was a much greater experience by far. But we wouldn't trade our three-year period of waiting upon the Lord and learning the Mass either. We're called to be faithful within whatever context we find ourselves.
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It is telling when some Catholics are down right hostile to others simply because we are ineligable.
That's really what you've experienced? I can't imagine that happening in my parish. I was treated with nothing but kindness and empathy for the years that I was unable to receive the Sacrament. Even now, there are several people in our congregation who take part in the Mass, but who do not receive the Eucharist, most commonly due to unresolved marriage issues (divorce, remarriage, etc.). Still, they're there every week, and we always make a point of talking with them after Mass, just to let them know that we admire their spiritual commitment and faithfulness to Christ and his Church.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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