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17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
BR, it says I May, not that I did. Why was it God that rised him?
It does not say he raised himself any where in the book.
Wording is everything my friend.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
"I will raise it up." I wonder if Keypurr will call Jesus a Liar?
GR, I will is not the same as I did. Where is it written that he raised himself? Give facts, not conjecture.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
BR, it says I May, not that I did. Why was it God that rised him?
It does not say he raised himself any where in the book.
Wording is everything my friend.
And what does verse 18 say?
John 10
18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.
Could death have held Him?? Can death hold any sinless man?
I hope you will be honest in answering that.
What has this to do with the question?
Where does it say that Jesus raised himself?
God would not allow death to hold him. Who else is sinless?
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
As a man on earth, the God-Man, He certainly had a God and Father, but this does not preclude Him from being equal with God and sharing the uncreated nature of the Father if God is triune, not solitary. He distinguishes His God/Father and does not say 'our' God/Father, because He has a unique, eternal relationship that we do not have.
Jn. 20:17 (in your view, it should say 'our').
His oneness with the Father is absolute, eternal. Our oneness is not identical, but is relational, not from eternity past.
We all can be one with the Father. But we are not God. Truine in purpose only. Jesus has a God. There is only one God.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
BR, there are about eight verses that say GOD raised Jesus from the dead. But there is NO verses that say he raised himself. I would think there would be at least ONE verse showing us he did it himself.
Maybe Apple7's Greek can help you find just ONE verse that say he did.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
BR, there are about eight verses that say GOD raised Jesus from the dead. But there is NO verses that say he raised himself. I would think there would be at least ONE verse showing us he did it himself.
Maybe Apple7's Greek can help you find just ONE verse that say he did.
Look out friend. What does this verse mean. Who raised Him.
Romans 8
11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.
As a man on earth, the God-Man, He certainly had a God and Father, but this does not preclude Him from being equal with God and sharing the uncreated nature of the Father if God is triune, not solitary. He distinguishes His God/Father and does not say 'our' God/Father, because He has a unique, eternal relationship that we do not have.
Jn. 20:17 (in your view, it should say 'our').
His oneness with the Father is absolute, eternal. Our oneness is not identical, but is relational, not from eternity past.
You need to study God from a FORM OF GOD.
CHRIST was IN Jesus. Christ is the express image of his creator.
Christ is a spirit not a man, Jesus is the man who was given that spirit with all god's power. God created everything through. Christ. I beleive Christ to be the logos of John 1. Being a form of God it fits quite will with scripture.
In the beginning was Christ, Christ was with God and Christ was a form of God. But Jesus tells you that his Father is the only True God.
It is important to know that an exact image of God was made. The very first creation of God himself. You must learn to put the pieces together to see the true God and his Christ.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
BR, there are about eight verses that say GOD raised Jesus from the dead. But there is NO verses that say he raised himself. I would think there would be at least ONE verse showing us he did it himself.
There is one verse.
19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body John 2:19-21
Your ignorance of this verse disappoints me. There are a couple more too.
Look out friend. What does this verse mean. Who raised Him.
Romans 8
11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
God raised Jesus, God is the spirit BR.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body John 2:19-21
Your ignorance of this verse disappoints me. There are a couple more too.
But that's too easy.
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.
19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body John 2:19-21
Your ignorance of this verse disappoints me. There are a couple more too.
Show me the words where Jesus raised himself. I know he said he had the power to do it, but where did he do it.
This is just another assumption you folks accept blindly without looking into it. You can not produce a verse that says what you want it to say in scripture. Keep searching my friend, I would like to see it.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
God would not allow death to hold him. Who else is sinless?
Is not the wages of sin, death? Jesus was sinless!!! In this, God actually raising Him becomes the moot point! What doesn't become so much a moot point is the fact that sinlessness plus indwelt deity=God__which is something the man Jesus thought it not robbery to equate Himself with when He was alive, at One [indwelt] with the "Word" of the Godhead, and Himself not yet glorified.
Remember this with regards to Adam and how he was removed from the garden lest he become equal to the Godhead after he transgressed: "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, . . . . . and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Genesis 3:22 (KJV)
Here is a side note to take to heart:
Though Jesus was sinless and "indwelt" with the Godhead and declared Himself to be such, we can see this yet to be glorified man fully expressing the Godhead in a completely human state that would soon hang on a cross. I point this out to point up what is available to anyone born again by the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit which imputes the very Life of Jesus Christ for the purpose following in His steps__and indeed, is required to.
The anti-trins are selective in their employment of the scriptures.
No, we just do not add words that are not there. You should not just assume anything in theology, we all do it, but in doing so we get the wrong answers..
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
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