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That's...completely backwards. If anyone wants to diminish what happened and let Penn off the hook, it's you.
Normally you're fairly bright. On this issue, you've gone off the deep end. Anyone with a pulse and shred of human decency sees justice done, and you, you're some kind of bizarre combination of miser and sports fan.
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To be fair, it's more than a few bowl games they are losing. Penn State won't be relevant for eight or more years due to the loss of scholarships. You can't compete when you have 65 scholarship athletes and everyone else has 85. It's not that I don't partially agree with you. It's just that I see this as far more than the loss of a few bowl games.
Agreed. Although I don't see a problem with this, either.
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Find yourself agreeing with granite? He is right, and it isn't marxism or any other nonsense. School leaders let it happen. The school is being punished harshly.
Most students don't play football, let alone any sport. The Pennsylvania State University is no different than the other Big Ten schools. They are huge schools in terms of enrollment. And only 85 of the tens of thousands play football. They can still get their education.
To be fair, it's more than a few bowl games they are losing. Penn State won't be relevant for eight or more years due to the loss of scholarships. You can't compete when you have 65 scholarship athletes and everyone else has 85. It's not that I don't partially agree with you. It's just that I see this as far more than the loss of a few bowl games.
Maybe, maybe not. Penn State is the school almost up and down the easter seaboard. Some elites do choose Miami, when they are not in hot water for their normal M.O.
Paterno won because he picked up all the talent in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and a lot of Ohio. That isn't going to change. The change will be the amount of talent. Speaking of which, word is Silas Redd might go to USC.
It depends on what this means for the victims and the provisions made for those who had nothing to do with it, such as current student athletes, since they can't play in bowl games if they remain at the school, etc.
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July 25th, 2012, 06:34 AM
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Most students don't play football, let alone any sport. The Pennsylvania State University is no different than the other Big Ten schools. They are huge schools in terms of enrollment. And only 85 of the tens of thousands play football. They can still get their education.
I think part of my worry was/is that the harsh punishment will end up having an effect on other parts of the school. Perhaps that won't happen. How much did the greater university benefit from the football program?
I know the NCAA said that Penn State can't pay for this at the expense of other programs. I'm glad they said that. But other parts of the school might suffer in less obvious ways than directly taking money from one dept to pay for this.
Seriously, your punishing the kids here. $60 million for the admins actions is fine. This isn't like improper recruiting.
I'll go further, as some legal and sports analysts have, and say the NCAA is overstepping its boundaries and that Penn State is foolishly bowing to public sentiment. This is an egregious and unjustified encroachment and despite what officials are saying, it will be precedent setting.
The 60 million represents an average year's revenue from the football program. Not only is that not going to be helping the larger life of the university, but the subsequent contribution of that program is almost sure to be significantly curtailed, meaning millions upon millions of dollars that would have mostly gone into other sports and academic pursuits won't be there for the indefinite future.
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July 25th, 2012, 03:37 PM
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The collectivist nonsense is what you are preaching here. It's the whole school's fault for this. The very meaning of collectivist.
A university is an institution, the definition of collectivism. If an institution does something bad you must punish the institution.
Humans are collective creatures. If you do not want to not be part of "collectivism" go live in a hole somewhere by yourself. Grow your own food and make everything you need. Oh wait you wouldn't be able to use the internet then . . . darn.
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The people who felt the school's reputation were more important ARE GONE!!!!!!!!!!!! Hopefully this sinks into your head. Penn St didn't commit the crime. The said individuals did. Whether they are part of the school is irrelevant.
Wrong. The institution is ultimately responsible for the actions that its employees perform in the name of the institution. If you let corruption go on, you pay.
This penalty will serve as a deterrent because people will recognize that their actions will affect the institution long after they are gone, and this even includes dead and gone.
I think it is an exemplary action on the part of the NCAA and hopefully a wake up call to other sports programs and institutions in general.
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A university is an institution, the definition of collectivism. If an institution does something bad you must punish the institution.
Humans are collective creatures. If you do not want to not be part of "collectivism" go live in a hole somewhere by yourself. Grow your own food and make everything you need. Oh wait you wouldn't be able to use the internet then . . . darn.
Wrong. The institution is ultimately responsible for the actions that its employees perform in the name of the institution. If you let corruption go on, you pay.
This penalty will serve as a deterrent because people will recognize that their actions will affect the institution long after they are gone, and this even includes dead and gone.
I think it is an exemplary action on the part of the NCAA and hopefully a wake up call to other sports programs and institutions in general.
Couldn't disagree more. The restitution and penalty appropriate to this situation should rest in the civil and criminal court system and lie with the victims and prosecutors to decide how to proceed. The NCAA is overstepping their mandate. This isn't about an unfair advantage in athletics and they aren't part of due process.
Huge mistake on Penn State's part fueled by a public relations nightmare.
Right. You refuse to look at the bigger picture.
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