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open theism just doesn't hold up to Scripture. They have to use all kinds of jargon and claptrap to make it fit.
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Originally Posted by Nang
Agreed.
jargon and claptrap like men are robots and have no will?
Like the word all doesnt really mean all, but only some
like the church replaced Israel in blessings but not in curses
like God makes people unable to do nothing but sin, and then judges them for what he made them do without a way out but that Hes merciful and loving at the same time?
like God sent Christ to die for only a few and offers salvation to only a few but its still based on nothing?
open theism just doesn't hold up to Scripture. They have to use all kinds of jargon and claptrap to make it fit.
Funny, I was thinking the same about a lot of systematic theology.
Crown Him, ye martyrs of your God, who from His altar call;
Hail Him Who saves you by His grace, and crown Him Lord of all!
Let every tribe and every tongue before Him prostrate fall;
The God incarnate, Man divine, and crown Him Lord of all!
"Apart from me you can do nothing."~Jesus
Phil. 3:8 (ESV)
Slogan/motto:
DYNAMIC: God is active, plural, and caring in nature. FREE: God's future is open for freedom of action. THEISM: God is infinite, personal being; rational and moral
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August 1st, 2012, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by sky.
I wish God would take my word for the truth...
Go...what do you "wish" God would do for you?
If I could prove to you that classic theology incorporates Greek philosophy that contradicts Biblical Revelation would that help you?
--Dave
www.dynamicfreetheism.com
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rational answers to the questions of human origin, destiny, and dignity.
The only view that proves the existence and explains
the nature of God.
Inherent: inborn; forming a natural or inseparable part or quality of
Inerrant: free from error; infallible
One cannot separate God from His Word, just as your word cannot be separated from you (much like the phrase "a man is as good as his word"). That is the "inherent Word". His Word is His Will. What He has promised, He will fulfill.
Also, God does not lie. His Word has no mistakes; it is purer than pure. That is the "inerrant Word".
Psalm 12:6
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
My comment to you was to correct you on the popular colloquialism, aka common phrase, used to refer to the Bible; "inherent word of God," is not the phrase, regardless of its state as such.
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Originally Posted by sky.
No. Anyone who desires to introduce philosophy to prove or disprove Scripture is just blowing smoke compared to Scripture.
My comment to you was to correct you on the popular colloquialism, aka common phrase, used to refer to the Bible; "inherent word of God," is not the phrase, regardless of its state as such.
That inherent includes innerrant but you won't admit that because it doesn't fit your open view of the Bible. You called me a dolt for using that word and then you tried to change your accusation instead of admitting that you were wrong. It's not about a "phrase" it's about the truth. And you know it.
That inherent includes innerrant but you won't admit that because it doesn't fit your open view of the Bible. You called me a dolt for using that word and then you tried to change your accusation instead of admitting that you were wrong. It's not about a "phrase" it's about the truth. And you know it.
I didn't dodge anything, you simpleton. It's irrelevant, i.e. it had nothing to do with the point I was making.
And how does it relate to the open view? Of course anything inherent to God is inerrant. I can easily, and openly admit that, because to deny it would be the height of stupidity, and I don't want to sink to your level.
And I didn't call you a dolt simply for using the word, I called you a dolt for misquoting the phrase. And if I were wrong I would admit I was wrong, but I wasn't. And I haven't changed my accusation at all.
Slogan/motto:
DYNAMIC: God is active, plural, and caring in nature. FREE: God's future is open for freedom of action. THEISM: God is infinite, personal being; rational and moral
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August 1st, 2012, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sky.
No. Anyone who desires to introduce philosophy to prove or disprove Scripture is just blowing smoke compared to Scripture.
Does it alarm you that Augustine, for example, admits that he used Greek philosophy to help him to understand scripture?
"By having thus read the books of the Platonists, and having been taught by them to search for the incorporeal Truth, I saw how thy invisible things are understood through the things that are made...I now believe that it was thy pleasure that I should fall upon these books before I studied thy Scriptures, that it might be impressed on my memory how I was affected by them." --Augustine, Book VII:20
If we established and agree upon rules for proper Biblical exegesis would that help?
--Dave
www.dynamicfreetheism.com
The only view of ultimate reality that provides
rational answers to the questions of human origin, destiny, and dignity.
The only view that proves the existence and explains
the nature of God.
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