[jamesmoris]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke

Homosexuality is a deviant behavior with a powerful agenda, that shakes it's fist in the face of anyone who dares to speak out against it and the harm that it's brought to society.

Be it the desecration of churches that speak the Word of God,



Or violently harrassing a handful of Christians sharing His word in a homosexual district in San Francisco:



This thread will show that by ignoring this promiscuous, disease ridden, deadly lifestyle and it's evil agenda, we as Christians (and those of other religions with moral values) and as a nation that was founded on Christian principles, only empower it.

Throughout the history of Christianized western civilization, there have always been laws against sexual perversion, specifically homosexuality. Up until circa 1973, homosexuality was a felony in every State in the US. Due to intimidation by those involved in the homosexual movement, along with a secular humanist agenda that included the legalization of abortion and pornography, homosexuality was decriminalized in many States. Then in 2003, the Supreme Court of the United States made a ruling in Lawrence vs Texas that invalidated sodomy laws in thirteen other states, making homosexual activity legal in every U.S. state and territory. The court overturned its previous ruling on the same issue in the 1986 case Bowers v. Hardwick, where it upheld a challenged Georgia statute and did not find a constitutional protection of sexual perversity.

Our Founding Fathers "understood that God is the Lord of history who rules the lives
of nations by His divine providence, and that He is in authority over
our nation as well over all others. They knew that our nation’s civil
government and law must be based upon God’s laws and principles
of justice if we are to enjoy His blessings upon our land and people.
They comprehended that all men are sinners, and that man’s sinful
nature has particularly destructive consequences when it is allowed
to vent itself through the power of civil government."

In the past several decades we've turned civil government, the making, enforcement and adjudication of laws, over to Satan and those who serve him.

It's way past time that we Christians and those that stand for decency, put a stop to it.

While there will be "smokescreens" presented by those who oppose God and decency, I'll do my best to not allow homosexualists* to derail it by talking about other things that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject (13 year old girls marrying during Biblical times). Of course there will be accusations against the messenger, accusing me of being the same thing that the homosexualist defends, but that's to be expected (or in the words of blogger Domenico Bettinelli Jr.: "Of course, having criticized homosexuality in public...I will now be accused of being a secret, self-hating closeted homosexual and the rest of the brownshirt psychobabble. But then I suppose that would make my critics secret, self-hating closet conservatives...").

(* "A “homosexualist” is an individual of either gender, who may or may not be a sodomite or a lesbian, but who does what he or she can to advance homosexuality. The term satisfies an important need in nomenclature. Credit for devising it goes to Scott Lively, a California lawyer, whose book is Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party, which suggests that Hitler was a homosexual prostitute in Vienna, and that homosexuality and Nazism are almost the same thing.")

I geniunely encourage those who think that they can argue as to why homosexuality shouldn't be recriminalized, to come forward and try to make their case, as this thread is not intended to solely be educational, but open to different opinions.

Numerous links will be attached throughout the thread, backing what has been written by various sources. If there is factual error, then I encourage anyone to refute it with their source.

For those of you that have followed my posts regarding homosexuality in the past couple of years here at TOL, it's obvious that something that our Christian Founding Fathers deemed "...that horrible sin not to be named among Christians”, and "...the very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature" MUST be recriminalized.

This thread will incorporate numerous aspects of homosexuality: the history of the modern day homosexual movement and it's "founders", the indoctrination and molestation of children,



it's strong ties to the abortion movement, the homosexual agenda and the invasion of invaluable institutions by the homosexual movement, as well as the destruction that homosexuality does to the individual partaking in the lifestyle, both physically and spiritually. Current leaders of the homosexual movement and various homosexual organizations that have connections with powerful people in high government offices and the mainstream media will also be discussed.

If anyone would like to respond to anything in the OP, then please do. If not, I'll proceed with the threat that the homosexual agenda poses to Christianity and our God-given freedoms (i.e. homo-fascism), as it is for the safety of our children and for our personal freedoms that we must defeat the homosexual indoctrination of America by recriminalizing homosexuality.

Homosexuality is bad and against Gods will but we dont have any right to judge them because we too are sinners

[Silent Hunter]

Originally Posted by noguru

I really don't care what you think about Rusha's labels and how you think that might apply to me. Let's stick to reality and stop discussing your very odd imagination.

This analogy is faulty. If one is successful at suicide, then I would love to see the state prosecute a dead person. Only six states consider attempted suicide to be illegal. And in the vast majority of attempts people receive psychiatric treatment, rather than prosecution. So in that sense your claims are inaccurate as usual. Of course I do suspect you might try to bring up some case where attempted suicide has been prosecuted because of the inadvertent or purposeful harm done to others as a result. But we can all clearly see (well except for maybe you) why those cases went the way they did.

The laws surrounding suicide assume that anyone attempting suicide has mental issues that need to be addressed. This is a pretty accurate assessment, in my opinion. Plus people that are desperate enough to commit suicide are more likely to be a threat to other individuals as well.

So yes, it would make sense to make it illegal in order for law enforcement to help that person, and protect others around that person. Since law enforcement would be the least cost provider in scenarios where friends and relatives could not help.

I guess you have not studied much case law in your law enforcement career.

At any rate, your attempt to twist the goals of suicide laws into a similar type of legislation as your proposed "re-criminalization" of homosexuality between consenting adults has failed miserably. There is no surprise there, however. Because you fail miserably in the vast majority of your posts, if your goal is to actually present a compelling argument.

Much criminal legislation is based on having compassion for the weak. Capitalism however is directly based upon "survival of the fittest", however. So it becomes clear that there are many factors to consider in a secular free society like ours. I do realize that such considerations might escape the understanding of a person with your simplistic, immature and inaccurate view of reality though.

We give higher priority to privacy (as long as what is done in that privacy does not overflow and cause damage to others) over the hysteria of people such as yourself. The hysteria of people like you, who would like to forfeit that privacy in an attempt to get into every person's bedroom, is seen by reasonable people to be what it really is, irrational hysteria. I think that is good. Because people like you need to have that reality check every day and perhaps more frequently in your specific case.

That's for certain. You need to get sandpaper with a more course grit if you actually want to make some headway in making a valid point about these issues.

I am obviously concerned about persecution of any people including Christian. Why am I not surprised that you are too dull minded to actually recognize that?

Where have I posted anything that would lead you to believe I am not bothered by "persecution of Christians by homosexuals"?

Do you always just make things up?

Oh wait, I already know the answer to that.

Let me get your view on this straight however. Are you now claiming that you want to "re-criminalize" homosexuality because you believe that homosexuals are weak and you want to protect them?

[Knight]

Originally Posted by jamesmoris

Homosexuality is bad and against Gods will but we dont have any right to judge them because we too are sinners

So you don't judge any vile behavior??

Why not? God commands you to judge!

John 7:24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

Luke 12:56 “Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right?

1 Cor 6:3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

Proverbs 24:25 But those who rebuke the wicked will have delight, and a good blessing will come upon them.

Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than love carefully concealed.

And the nail in the coffin....

Judging for Dummies - By Jesus Christ

Matt 7:1 “ Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, “Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First (step 1) remove the plank from your own eye, and then (step 2) you will see clearly to remove (step 3) the speck from your brother's eye.

[Angel4Truth]

Originally Posted by Knight

So you don't judge any vile behavior??

Why not? God commands you to judge!

John 7:24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

Luke 12:56 “Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right?

1 Cor 6:3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

Proverbs 24:25 But those who rebuke the wicked will have delight, and a good blessing will come upon them.

Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than love carefully concealed.

And the nail in the coffin....

Judging for Dummies - By Jesus Christ

Matt 7:1 “ Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, “Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First (step 1) remove the plank from your own eye, and then (step 2) you will see clearly to remove (step 3) the speck from your brother's eye.

Well done

[noguru]

Now you have got me curious ACW. Would you, or any of the others who want to re-criminalize homosexuality (would that be adultery as well?), also go as far as Lighthouse and want execution as the sentence?

[aCultureWarrior]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Kindly go over the 14 articles that I've presented by Bryan Fischer showing hate crimes committed by homosexuals against Christians. While some of the death and rape threats might have been done in the privacy of a homosexual's bedroom (i.e. sodomy chambers), most of the hate crimes were done in the corporate boardrooms and legislative offices of America.

Originally Posted by alwight

TBH aCW I've rather stopped looking at any of the stuff you drag in through the cat flap. Trying to smear all gay people with the actions of a few, or to suppose that they weren't to some degree simply re-actions to homophobic bigotry, but are typical homosexual behaviour, I find highly disingenuous to say the least.

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Let me start off by saying that you sound like one of those "good Christians" Rusha constantly talks about.

Originally Posted by noguru

I really don't care what you think about Rusha's labels and how you think that might apply to me. Let's stick to reality and stop discussing your very odd imagination.

Ok, you're a moral relativist pretending to be a Christian.

How's that?

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Based on your above paragraph, suicide should be legal. For instance, if self loathing atheist Gerald decided he wanted to "off" himself out in the streets of Anytown USA, could you actually "demonstrate" that he is harming anyone?

This analogy is faulty. If one is successful at suicide, then I would love to see the state prosecute a dead person.
Only six states consider attempted suicide to be illegal. And in the vast majority of attempts people receive psychiatric treatment, rather than prosecution.

Prior to the Gay Gestapo intimidating the pencil necks at the American Psychiatric Association into removing homosexuality from it's list of mental disorders back in 1973, it had been treated as such (which of course will be covered in detail in the appropriate section of this thread).

Of course suicide harms more than just the individual attempting to, or actually succeeding in killing him or herself. The fire and police units that respond, the people that actually witness the incident, the loved ones and friends left behind that have to deal with the loss, and of course the cheapening of human life that suicide represents.

As I will later show in the disease and death section of this thread, homosexuals are committing suicide and much of society is applauding it by doing absolutely nothing about it.

Because you fail miserably in the vast majority of your posts, if your goal is to actually present a compelling argument.

Funny, I haven't seen you anywhere around the vast majority of my posts to show how I've allegedly "failed".


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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Fortunately our Christian based government (well, it once was) has compassion for the weak. While Libertarian Ralphie could teach you all about Darwin's survival of the fittest with his drug legalization theories, compassionate societies don't write the weak off that easily.

Much criminal legislation is based on having compassion for the weak. Capitalism is directly based upon "survival of the fittest", however. So it becomes clear that there are many factors to consider in a secular free society like ours. I do realize that such considerations might escape the understanding of a person with your simplistic, immature and inaccurate view of reality though.

My my, yet another homosexualist socialist that hates the free enterprise system. Yes, Capitalism WITHOUT Judeo/Christian values amounts to Darwinism.

And yes, prior legislation in the US showed compassion for the weak and helpless. With the legalization of abortion, homosexuality, pornogrpahy, and attempts by druggies to legalize recreational drugs, we're drifting away from that mentality.


Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Ah yes, yet another "consensual morality" so-called "Christian" who obviously get's his morals someplace other than the Bible (Rusha must be proud).

We give higher priority to privacy (as long as what is done in that privacy does not overflow and cause damage to others) over the hysteria of people such as yourself. The hysteria of people like you, who would like to forfeit that privacy in an attempt to get into every person's bedroom, is seen by reasonable people to be what it really is, irrational hysteria. I think that is good. Because people like you need to have that reality check every day and perhaps more frequently in your specific case.

I'm not sure who "we" are, but depravity has never been a "priority" for decent societies whether it was done in private, or openly done in places like gay pride parades.

However, as much as you homosexualists love to turn this into jack booted thugs kicking in the bedroom door of two homosexuals living together, it's not. As shown, the homosexual movement has taken their cause OUT OF THE BEDROOM and into the legislative offices and boardrooms of America.

Let me get your view on this straight however. Are you now claiming that you want to "re-criminalize" homosexuality because you believe that homosexuals are weak and you want to protect them?

If you're going to post in this thread, pay attention to what I've written.

There are many reasons to recriminalize homosexuality. As shown in the first segment of this thread, the anti-Christian forces behind the homosexual movement are using the influence of government and businesses to punish Christians for their beliefs.

Other areas that will be covered will be the molestation and indoctrination of America's children. Infiltration into valuable American institutions such as marriage, the family via adoption, religion, education, the military, and youth mentor groups will be discussed in detail.

And yes, the homosexual "deathstyle" will also be discussed, which in essence is allowing homosexuals to play Russian Roulette with their lives.

Would you allow a friend to play Russian Roulette with his or her life noguru? If you had to use the FORCE OF LAW to stop them, would you do that?

That's what this thread is all about, saving America from suicide.

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by noguru

Now you have got me curious ACW. Would you, or any of the others who want to re-criminalize homosexuality (would that be adultery as well?), also go as far as Lighthouse and want execution as the sentence?

Covered already. Read the first 41 pages. (follow the treasure map to post 23).

[MaryContrary]

Originally Posted by Rusha

Now now, MC ... no reason to exaggerate. I couldn't care less what you believe. I simply counter your (as well as the *officer's) irrelevant and religiously based arguments that you wish to impose on others.

Most Christians I have encountered see homosexuality as *a sin* and have no desire to harm homosexuals or others who do not agree with them. They actually have lives of their own and do not find it necessary to obsess over private and petty matters such as the sex lives of other consenting adults.

Whoa, whoa. Hey, now. I reserve the right to exaggerate in the interests of stirring up drama.

I mean, come on.

[MaryContrary]

Originally Posted by Silent Hunter

. . . but NOT if that ban of action or speech is based solely on a religious principle . . . such as is the case with homosexuality.

How do you expect to determine which votes are based solely on religious principles and which are not?

Or are you really assuming any vote in favor of outlawing homosexual sex must be based solely on a religious principle?

Because that'd be kind of a ridiculous assumption.

[alwight]

Originally Posted by Knight

So you don't judge any vile behavior??

Why not? God commands you to judge!

John 7:24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

Luke 12:56 “Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right?

1 Cor 6:3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

Proverbs 24:25 But those who rebuke the wicked will have delight, and a good blessing will come upon them.

Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than love carefully concealed.

And the nail in the coffin....

Judging for Dummies - By Jesus Christ

Matt 7:1 “ Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, “Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First (step 1) remove the plank from your own eye, and then (step 2) you will see clearly to remove (step 3) the speck from your brother's eye.

So presumably then because something is in the Bible it must therefore be the word of God not fallible men? mmm
Psalm 137:9 KJV "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."
Are you a happy man Knight?

[Silent Hunter]

Originally Posted by MaryContrary

How do you expect to determine which votes are based solely on religious principles and which are not?

Because in the case of homosexuality . . . there can be no other reason . . . unless you know something . . . .

Or are you really assuming any vote in favor of outlawing homosexual sex must be based solely on a religious principle?

There is no other reason to outlaw homosexual behavior except on a religious principle . . .

Because that'd be kind of a ridiculous assumption.

No, it isn't . . .

[MaryContrary]

Originally Posted by Silent Hunter

Because in the case of homosexuality . . . there can be no other reason . . . unless you know something . . . .

There is no other reason to outlaw homosexual behavior except on a religious principle . . .

You're an idiot.

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silent Hunter
Because in the case of homosexuality . . . there can be no other reason . . . unless you know something . . . .

There is no other reason to outlaw homosexual behavior except on a religious principle . . .

Originally Posted by MaryContrary

You're an idiot.

Actually Mary, Ralphie is deeper into the homosexual lifestyle than I originally suspected.

Let's all say a silent prayer for him.

[Silent Hunter]

Originally Posted by MaryContrary

You're an idiot.

So, I'm right then . . . otherwise you would have have given a reason apart from religious conviction . . . thank you for your concession.