[Angel4Truth]

we cant wait to get our chick fil a tommorrow.

[voltaire]

Originally Posted by Angel4Truth

Christ who is God defined marriage perfectly in matthew chapter 19.

Yep.

[Ktoyou]

What is a "Chick-fil-A"?

I guess I would buy one and give it to some kid?

[JPPT1974]

My family loves that place. Who knows if we will eat there tomorrow. Would not be surprised though.

[MaryContrary]

Originally Posted by Alate_One

There's no specific statement to that effect in scripture. In fact there's no "definition" of marriage in scripture at all. However, based on a number of scriptures that say homosexuality is sinful, having the church sanction it with marriage is not consistent with the overall theme of scripture.

Them's a lotta words you spent trying not to answer the question.

So, no hope of a simple yes or no here? Does God specifically exclude homosexual couples from marriage or not? How can this be so hard for you to answer?

Originally Posted by Alate_One

But neither is prohibiting polygamy. There are good reasons to prohibit polygamy in modern society but none of them are biblical ones.

We're not talking about polygamy. We're talking about homosexual marriage. So...

Originally Posted by Alate_One

Why would you think that? Polygamy is not homosexual marriage.

Great. Let's talk about homosexual marriage then.



Because that's what we're talking about. Not polygamy.

Originally Posted by Alate_One

So you're annoyed when scripture contradicts your beliefs? Sorry.

So I'll count that as a concession. Your claim that 1 Tim 3:2 implies that legitimate marriages could be polygamous by holding bishops to a higher standards than the laity is bogus. Noted.

Originally Posted by Alate_One

Why do you want *government* to tell you what is right and wrong?

You're easily confused aren't you? I don't want government to tell me what is right or wrong. I want the laws they enforce to be just and right.

Where did you get this idea? Barbarian, right? Try sticking to our conversation when responding to here. Less confusion that way.

Originally Posted by Alate_One

Is it acceptable in light of scripture? No. I don't want any church I attend performing homosexual marriages.

Do you oppose the government telling your church, by force of law, that they have to then? Because that's kinda what we're talking about here, in case you're confused.

Originally Posted by Alate_One

I do think gay people should be welcome in the church the same way other sinners should be.

Of course.

Originally Posted by Alate_One

However, if government wants to allow homosexual marriage and the populace supports it, there's not much that can be done in a democracy.

But you said we'd be "fine" in such a case, which was the point we were discussing here (did you forget?) So, would we be?

You realize you seem to be saying you'd be "fine" with our government doing this, presumably so long as there's the excuse of being outvoted.

Originally Posted by Alate_One

Homosexual marriage isn't murder nor is it rape nor theft.

What two consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes is none of my business save if they are in my church and claiming to be saved and in that case we'd use church discipline, not government.

So do you support prostitution or drug trafficking, be it in the privacy of one's home?

Originally Posted by Alate_One

Do you want to have government throwing people in jail over adultery?

Absolutely.

Originally Posted by Alate_One

It's like Barbarian said, your sort rail against government until it's policing the bedroom. It makes no sense whatsoever.

I agree, you do seem confused here.

I'd be happy to help explain but you're going to have to focus a bit. At least the minimum typically considered polite for discussions.

[alwight]

Originally Posted by MaryContrary

You're easily confused aren't you? I don't want government to tell me what is right or wrong. I want the laws they enforce to be just and right.

Wrong, you simply want whatever you have decided is just and right, albeit derived (mindlessly?) from an ancient scripture, imposed on all, including those of us who dare to decide our own relative morality.

[MaryContrary]

Originally Posted by alwight

Wrong, you simply want whatever you have decided is just and right, albeit derived (mindlessly?) from an ancient scripture, imposed on all, including those of us who dare to decide our own relative morality.

Yes, of course I vote.

Don't you? What are you whining about exactly?

[bybee]

Originally Posted by alwight

Wrong, you simply want whatever you have decided is just and right, albeit derived (mindlessly?) from an ancient scripture, imposed on all, including those of us who dare to decide our own relative morality.

Now you're being pushy Dearie! Mary Contrary speaks her mind honestly and fearlessly.
You may disagree with her but you are foolishly in error to insist that she isn't speaking her own truth.
You don't normally make statements like that.

[Granite]

Originally Posted by MaryContrary

Yes, of course I vote.

Don't you? What are you whining about exactly?

Uh, did you not read his post?

[alwight]

Originally Posted by bybee

Now you're being pushy Dearie! Mary Contrary speaks her mind honestly and fearlessly.
You may disagree with her but you are foolishly in error to insist that she isn't speaking her own truth.

Oh I know about Mary which is why I feel more inclined to be "pushy" perhaps, 'cause I know as sure as "silver bells and cockle shells" she will be.

Originally Posted by bybee

You don't normally make statements like that.

That rather depends on who I'm talking to.

[alwight]

Originally Posted by MaryContrary

Yes, of course I vote.

That's all very interesting Mary but...

Originally Posted by MaryContrary

Don't you? What are you whining about exactly?

Yes I vote, so what? Either way here (UK) the church doesn't seek to impose any specifically Christian values on secular society thankfully.
If churches don't want to be involved in gay ceremonies then that's fair enough they shouldn't have to imo. But secular laws forbidding such ceremonies based on a particular religious view alone would be an unwelcome theocracy imposed on many otherwise law abiding people regardless of what you suppose to be "just and right"?

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@OP
If Chick-fil-A chooses to present a discriminatory view rather than simply remain neutral then presumably that goes down rather well in some parts of the US, boosting their profits no doubt. But it's really no good them then whining if that same view is counter-productive and causes bad feelings elsewhere.
I would probably eat in a CFA if it was good food unless they openly disapproved of non-Christians and atheists when I would consider myself personally to be unwelcome.

[PureX]

One thing that I really like and applaud about this whole silly Chick-Fil-A business is that it's making people more conscious of corporate behavior, and reminding us of the power of the economic corporate boycott.

Many of these corporations have become so wealthy and powerful that they can routinely buy whatever legislation helps them further their quest for more wealth and power. So that the government no longer stands up as the protector of the public welfare. Instead, the government has become the accomplices of those who seek to exploit and even destroy the public's welfare for their own profit.

But there is still a very powerful tool that those big corporation fear far more than they will admit, and that is the power of an economic boycott of their products or services. Ultimately, society has the ability to lay waste to any corporation that seeks to abuse government and exploit us, and all we need to wield that power is the will to do so, and the information necessary to formulate that will.

[Angel4Truth]

Originally Posted by alwight

Wrong, you simply want whatever you have decided is just and right, albeit derived (mindlessly?) from an ancient scripture, imposed on all, including those of us who dare to decide our own relative morality.

Is that not exactly what some government leaders are doing by trying to block business licenses for a company presidents freedom of speech and religion?

[Lighthouse]

Originally Posted by alwight

Wrong, you simply want whatever you have decided is just and right, albeit derived (mindlessly?) from an ancient scripture, imposed on all, including those of us who dare to decide our own relative morality.

There's a lot you don't know about Mary.

[alwight]

Originally Posted by Angel4Truth

Is that not exactly what some government leaders are doing by trying to block business licenses for a company presidents freedom of speech and religion?

Local government leaders at least are there to represent their whole community in theory anyway, if you don't like them and the job they do then don't vote for them, that's democracy it isn't perfect.