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The Slitting of 850 Throats -
July 31st, 2012, 03:20 PM
THE SLITTING OF 850 THROATS
Dear Ben,
Reading the books of I and II Kings this past weekend, I came about a gruesome deed of prophet Elijah's who, in order to erradicate the cult of Baal and Asherah, he slitted the throats of 850 of the prophets of Baal and Asherah. (I Kings 18:19) Regardless of the violence of how he carried that out, what had happened to freedom
of speech and religion in Israel then?
There was indeed freedom of speech and of religion in Israel even at the time of Elijah. Those 850 prophets of Baal and Asherah were not executed for being what they had chosen to be, but for competing with Elijah the spiritual guardianship of the House of Israel and misleading the People into following after gods that they had not known besides the Lord. They were, IOW, leading the People astray from the way of life in Judaism and into apostasy. (Deut. 13:2-6)
As Elijah was concerned, they were no longer Jews for having adopted the Baal cult of Jezebel, but they would insist on holding unto the Jewish identity to make it easier to add more and more Jewish adepts to their cult. They were so to speak, the Jews-for-Baal.
In fact, Elijah did warn them to make up their minds and decide to, either return to Judaism or stay where they were, but not as Jews. Hence, Elijah's question: "How long will you straddle the issue? If the Lord is God, follow Him; if it's Baal, follow him!" (I Kings 18:21) Just return or stay there IOW.
The Jews-for-Baal were causing a spiritual havoc in the Jewish Community. The issue had become rather political because of the insurrection. Then, Elijah condemned those 850 prophets of Baal and Asherah to death and the People was rescued from total apostasy. (I Kings 18:40)
Something today quite similar to that time, I see in "Jews-for-Jesus" and "Messianic Jews" straddling the issue between Judaism and Christianity. Exactly in between one ideology and the other. They hold unto the Jewish identity while upholding the tenets of Christianity. They are lucky because, the only thing Elijah can do today, is to turn in his grave.
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Reputation:
July 31st, 2012, 03:31 PM
Yes Judaism is close to the worship of Baal and you are lucky you have time to repent before Christ does the same thing to all Baal worshippers.
.... what had happened to freedom
of speech and religion in Israel then?
There was indeed freedom of speech and of religion in Israel even at the time of Elijah. Those 850 prophets of Baal and Asherah were not executed for being what they had chosen to be, but for competing with Elijah the spiritual guardianship of the House of Israel and misleading the People into following after gods that they had not known besides the Lord. They were, IOW, leading the People astray from the way of life in Judaism and into apostasy. (Deut. 13:2-6)
As Elijah was concerned, they were no longer Jews for having adopted the Baal cult of Jezebel, but they would insist on holding unto the Jewish identity to make it easier to add more and more Jewish adepts to their cult. They were so to speak, the Jews-for-Baal.
In fact, Elijah did warn them to make up their minds and decide to, either return to Judaism or stay where they were, but not as Jews. Hence, Elijah's question: "How long will you straddle the issue? If the Lord is God, follow Him; if it's Baal, follow him!" (I Kings 18:21) Just return or stay there IOW.
The Jews-for-Baal were causing a spiritual havoc in the Jewish Community. The issue had become rather political because of the insurrection. Then, Elijah condemned those 850 prophets of Baal and Asherah to death and the People was rescued from total apostasy. (I Kings 18:40)
...
Ben
What B.S. ! ! !!!!!!! !
Freedom of Speech? Freedom of Religion?
Israel was an ancient-day version of the USA?
Give us a break.
So 850 people had their throats slit for NOT openly declaring themselves Baal-worshippers?
They had a choice to worship Baal in peace,
as long as they didn't call themselves "Jews",
even though the term "Jew" didn't exist except as one tribe of 12?
Elijah practiced Judaism, a religion not invented until after the Babylonian Captivity?
What kind of drugs do you smoke there in modern-day Israel Ben?
Seriously Ben,
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
Yes Judaism is close to the worship of Baal and you are lucky you have time to repent before Christ does the same thing to all Baal worshippers.
LA
Yes, Christianity is very close to Greek Mythology and you are lucky I am here to wake you up for the Truth that there is no such a thing in Judaism as the Greek myth of the demigod, which is the son of a god with an earthly woman. Don't forget that Jesus was a Jew. He would be turning in his grave if he knew of what Christians preach about him.
So 850 people had their throats slit for NOT openly declaring themselves Baal-worshippers?
They had a choice to worship Baal in peace,
as long as they didn't call themselves "Jews",
even though the term "Jew" didn't exist except as one tribe of 12?
Elijah practiced Judaism, a religion not invented until after the Babylonian Captivity?
What kind of drugs do you smoke there in modern-day Israel Ben?
Seriously Ben,
Yes, freedom of religion alright. You simply did not understand the thread. That's all. I'll help you, if you don't mind. Review I Kings 18:21. That's what I mean by freedom of religion. Elijah called for a decision. They could practice their religion. He asked only not to disrupt the whole country into a possible civil war. It was because of them that Jezebel had already killed several of the prophets of the Lord. Every one had freedom to practice their religion but also to respect the right of others to practice theirs. They were not respecting that right. If there were 850 prophet/priests, imagine how many of the people had already turned into "Jews-for-Baal." Elija had
no choice but to rescue the country from a impendent civil war.
My reference to the Jews at that time was more in the sense of Judaism, the way of living in Israel. That's the Judaism founded by Abraham. True that Abraham was not a Jew, but he founded Monotheistic Judaism. Not Rabbinical Judaism, but Biblical Judaism all the same. What Ezra did at the return of the Jewish People from exile in Babylon was to reorganize Judaism under a new covenant. But Judaism was not invented then. It existed since Abraham.
The drug I smoke here is the drug of commonsense, if you know what I mean.
Just to point Jesus was in his grave for a very short period of time so I don't think he is turning anywhere.
As for evidence of Greek mythology being Jesus, bring on names dates and evidence, they always don't stand up to the simplest of examinations (the Mithras lie for example).
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Originally Posted by Ben Masada
Yes, Christianity is very close to Greek Mythology and you are lucky I am here to wake you up for the Truth that there is no such a thing in Judaism as the Greek myth of the demigod, which is the son of a god with an earthly woman. Don't forget that Jesus was a Jew. He would be turning in his grave if he knew of what Christians preach about him.
Just to point Jesus was in his grave for a very short period of time so I don't think he is turning anywhere.
As for evidence of Greek mythology being Jesus, bring on names dates and evidence, they always don't stand up to the simplest of examinations (the Mithras lie for example).
Jesus died, didn't he? Yes, he did. According to Job 10:21 and 2Samuel 12:23, the one who dies will never return. So, who removed Jesus' body from his grave? The point is that when Joseph of Arimathea took Jesus off the cross, he might have realized that Jesus was still alive, silently laid him in his walk-in tomb to avoid unnecessary attention, went for his men, and after an hour or two, he returned to remove Jesus into a safer place to care of his wounds with the help of Nicodemus who had come with about 100 pounds of medication to threat Jesus' wounds. (John 19:39) That's why at the end of that Sabbath, when the tomb was opened, it was empty. If you don't believe what I am saying, provide me with an eyewitness to the resurrection of Jesus.
And for the evidences of Greek Mythology about Jesus, you have Mat. 1:18. Mary was found pregnant without having had sex with Joseph. Then, Christians say that it was from God, the Holy Spirit. Jesus was a Jewish man, whose Faith was Judaism. Since there is no such a thing in Judaism that a Jew could be born of God with an earthly woman, you have the evidence of Greek Mythology on the make. Now, it is your turn to prove that such an event is possible in Judaism. Go right ahead. I am ears.
And for the evidences of Greek Mythology about Jesus, you have Mat. 1:18. Mary was found pregnant without having had sex with Joseph. Then, Christians say that it was from God, .... Now, it is your turn to prove that such an event is possible in Judaism. Go right ahead. I am ears.
Ben
Ben this is trivial.
You speak as if virgin pregnancy was a miracle, or somehow impossible,
or even that it must originate from "Greek mythology."
What a laugh.
In an age where people as often as not slept in tents,
or as evidenced everywhere all slept in the same room,
nighttime emission of semen is a trivial and commonplace event,
and I am sure many a young girl has awoken pregnant without explanation
in these typical circumstances, throughout the Middle East.
Hardly a miracle, and hardly an event requiring Greeks to appear with stories.
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
Ben this is trivial.
You speak as if virgin pregnancy was a miracle, or somehow impossible,
or even that it must originate from "Greek mythology."
What a laugh.
In an age where people as often as not slept in tents,
or as evidenced everywhere all slept in the same room,
nighttime emission of semen is a trivial and commonplace event,
and I am sure many a young girl has awoken pregnant without explanation
in these typical circumstances, throughout the Middle East.
Hardly a miracle, and hardly an event requiring Greeks to appear with stories.
Great! I am not going to refute you. I agree with you. But why attribute to God by calling the baby son of God? Is it trivial to question that pretense? That's what I mean by Greek Mythology. Such a thing could not involve Jesus whose Faith was Judaism. If you admit that the Jesus Christians are talking about was a Greek man and not Jewish, I will no longer be here to discuss the issue. Everything will be settled.
Slogan/motto:
“Theist and atheist: The fight between them is as to whether God shall be called God or shall have some other name” S.B.
Reputation:
August 7th, 2012, 08:51 AM
Ben cannot build up Judaism without first knocking down Christianity.
Sad
God is not discoverable or demonstrable by purely scientific means, unfortunately for the scientifically minded. But that really proves nothing. It simply means that the wrong instruments are being used for the job. ~John Bertram Phillips
Ben Masada, You will make a Strong Christian when WE, The Elect take over the World.
Mt 9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.
Mt 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
Mt 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.
Mr 2:21 No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.
Mr 2:22 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.
Lu 5:36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
Lu 5:37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
Lu 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
The Slitting of 850 Throats -
July 31st, 2012, 03:20 PM
so I don't think he is turning anywhere.
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