See, you just want to badger me. General Clark on Democracy Now was provided pages ago. Still waiting on your comments on the Jewish families that have been engaging in ritual child sacrifice for hundreds of years.
Yeeeeaaaahhhhh....that would be one way of explaining it, I guess.....'Welcome to the OSP boys, have a look see.....'
So I found your Clark link. And listened to it. I suggest you do the same, and tell me when exactly he suggest that foreign powers were forcing the US to attack Iraq (and a bunch of other countries). I didn't hear Israel mentioned there either- but maybe I missed it.
This bit about ritual child sacrifice is typical of your thinking. Even assuming that there was a family who do this (based on an interview with a mentally ill person on Oprah...)- why does that implicate the entire Jewish people? I can show you Jewish thieves and murderers as well. So what?
You are so biased that you will use any information at all to knock Jews and Israel.
And yes, my explanation is simple and to the point. It does have the disadvantage of not being anti-israel.
So I found your Clark link. And listened to it. I suggest you do the same, and tell me when exactly he suggest that foreign powers were forcing the US to attack Iraq (and a bunch of other countries). I didn't hear Israel mentioned there either- but maybe I missed it.
Planned by whom? Well, who in the Middle East aren't they planning to attack? Let's see:
A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties. The author is Oded Yinon, a senior advisor to the Israeli Foreign Affairs Ministry and later a journalist with the Jerusalem Post.
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...Breaking Egypt down territorially into distinct geographical regions is the political aim of Israel in the Nineteen Eighties on its Western front.
Egypt is divided and torn apart into many foci of authority. If Egypt falls apart, countries like Libya, Sudan or even the more distant states will not continue to exist in their present form and will join the downfall and dissolution of Egypt. The vision of a Christian Coptic State in Upper Egypt alongside a number of weak states with very localized power and without a centralized government as to date, is the key to a historical development which was only set back by the peace agreement but which seems inevitable in the long run.13
The Western front, which on the surface appears more problematic, is in fact less complicated than the Eastern front, in which most of the events that make the headlines have been taking place recently. Lebanon's total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precendent for the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track. The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unqiue areas such as in Lebanon, is Israel's primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short term target. Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a Shi'ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and certainly in the Hauran and in northern Jordan. This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and security in the area in the long run, and that aim is already within our reach today.14
Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel. An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon. In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul, and Shi'ite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north. It is possible that the present Iranian-Iraqi confrontation will deepen this polarization.15
1996, A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, a white paper prepared for Benjamin Netanyahu:
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Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one with which American can sympathize, would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah, Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon, including by:
striking Syria’s drug-money and counterfeiting infrastructure in Lebanon, all of which focuses on Razi Qanan.
paralleling Syria’s behavior by establishing the precedent that Syrian territory is not immune to attacks emanating from Lebanon by Israeli proxy forces.
striking Syrian military targets in Lebanon, and should that prove insufficient, striking at select targets in Syria proper....
...Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria's regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq...
...Participants in the Study Group on "A New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000:"
Richard Perle, American Enterprise Institute, Study Group Leader
James Colbert, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs
Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Johns Hopkins University/SAIS Douglas Feith, Feith and Zell Associates
Robert Loewenberg, President, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies
Jonathan Torop, The Washington Institute for Near East Policy
David Wurmser, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies
Meyrav Wurmser, Johns Hopkins University
And, after Neocon Jew William Kristol's Project for a New American Century called for a "New Pearl Harbor"; after the summer 2001 release of the movie...Pearl Harbor...; after two Airplanes "caused" three New York High Rises to collapse instantaneously, symetrically and completely; after Wesley Clark was told we're attacking all these countries for no "apparent" reason; we find again these two busy beavers:
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The OSP was an open and largely unfiltered conduit to the White House not only for the Iraqi opposition. It also forged close ties to a parallel, ad hoc intelligence operation inside Ariel Sharon's office in Israel specifically to bypass Mossad and provide the Bush administration with more alarmist reports on Saddam's Iraq than Mossad was prepared to authorise.
"None of the Israelis who came were cleared into the Pentagon through normal channels," said one source familiar with the visits. Instead, they were waved in on Mr Feith's authority without having to fill in the usual forms.
The exchange of information continued a long-standing relationship Mr Feith and other Washington neo-conservatives had with Israel's Likud party.
In 1996, he and Richard Perle - now an influential Pentagon figure - served as advisers to the then Likud leader, Binyamin Netanyahu. In a policy paper they wrote, entitled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, the two advisers said that Saddam would have to be destroyed, and Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iran would have to be overthrown or destabilised, for Israel to be truly safe.
The Israeli influence was revealed most clearly by a story floated by unnamed senior US officials in the American press, suggesting the reason that no banned weapons had been found in Iraq was that they had been smuggled into Syria. Intelligence sources say that the story came from the office of the Israeli prime minister.
Way more to this story: Urban Moving Systems; the High Fivers; The Art Student Spies; Randy Glassman; all the 9/11 anomalies; Philip Zelikow; the testimonies of Hamid Gul and Francesco Cossiga ...
OK, insert a bunch of "color revolutions"; the overthrow and murder of Muammar Qaddafi, and, that brings us up to date. Paul Craig Roberts:
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Whereas we have all been made complicit in war crimes by "our" government, it still behooves us to know who are the active war criminals in our midst who have burdened us with our war criminal reputation.
You can learn the identity of many of those who are driving the world into World War Three, while their policies result in the murder of large numbers of Arabs and Muslims in Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen, Iraq, and Lebanon, by perusing the signatures to the contrived letter to Obama from the neoconsevatives calling on Obama to invade Syria in order to "rescue" the Syrian people from their government.
According to the letter signed by 56 neoconservatives, only the Syrian government is responsible for deaths in Syria. The Washington sponsored and armed "rebels" are merely protecting the Syrian people from the Assad government. According to the letter signers, the only way the Syrian people can be saved is if Washington overthrows the Syrian government and installs a puppet state attentive to the needs of Israel and Washington.
Among the 56 signatures are a few names from the Syrian National Congress, believed to be a CIA front, and a few names from dupes among the goyim. The rest of the signatures are those of Jewish neoconservatives tightly allied with Israel, some of whom are apparently dual-Israeli citizens who participate in the formation of US foreign policy. The names on this list comprise a concentration of evil, the goal of which is not only to bring armageddon to the Syrian people but also to the world.
The letter to Obama is part of the propaganda operation to demonize the Syrian government with lies in order to get rid of a government that supports Hizbollah, the Muslims in southern Lebanon who have twice driven the vaunted, but cowardly, Israeli army out of Lebanon, thus preventing the Israeli government from achieving its aim of stealing the water resources of southern Lebanon.
Not a single sentence in the letter is correct. Listen to this one for example: "The Assad regime poses a grave threat to national security interests of the United States." What utter total absurdity, and the morons who signed the letter pretend to be "security experts."
How do we evaluate the fact that 56 people have no shame whatsoever and will lie to the President of the United States, telling him to his face the most absurd and obvious false things in order to advance their personal agenda at the expense of not merely the lives of Syrians but, by leading to wider war, of life on earth?
This same neocon architects of armageddon are also working against Iran, Russia, the former Soviet central Asian countries, Ukraine, Belarus, and China. It seems that they can't wait to start a nuclear war.
You can find the names of some of humanity's worst enemies here.
Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury and Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal, has held numerous university appointments and is Contributing Editor to Gerald Celente's Trends Journal. His columns are at (more...)
This bit about ritual child sacrifice is typical of your thinking. Even assuming that there was a family who do this (based on an interview with a mentally ill person on Oprah...)- why does that implicate the entire Jewish people? I can show you Jewish thieves and murderers as well. So what?
Here is Vicki Polin today. She has spent her life in advocacy against child abuse:
To answer your question, Chair, she makes it clear that all Jewish families don't sacrifice babies. Of course not, but how many is too many?
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You are so biased that you will use any information at all to knock Jews and Israel.
And yes, my explanation is simple and to the point. It does have the disadvantage of not being anti-israel.
My agenda is simple, to see a demonic stronghold broken. Much of the church idolizes the 666 and Jews in general, that needs to change. Israel is the Illuminati's hold on the church.
Cam is ignoring GM because he realizes he's no match for his "formidable" opponent, GM!!
We get the irony in formidable, thanks for the chuckle. Seriously though, you've been a one trick pony, maybe two. Do you really have no knowledge of anything being discussed?
... To answer your question, Chair, she makes it clear that all Jewish families don't sacrifice babies. Of course not, but how many is too many?
Cam, do you read your own posts? Who is this lady? Is she a reliable source? Is that TV show a reliable source of solid information? Does what this woman claim really show that there is something wrong with a religion practiced by millions of people?
Do you read your own posts?
You would do well to learn something about Judaism- but not from yet another anti-Jewish source.
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My agenda is simple, to see a demonic stronghold broken. Much of the church idolizes the 666 and Jews in general, that needs to change. Israel is the Illuminati's hold on the church.
Cam, despite your protestations, it is clear that for whatever reason you have decided to hate Jews and Israel, and believe that they are conspiring to control various governments and organizations. You interpret every bit of information or pseudo-information that you see in that light, sometimes to an absurd extent.
Yes, I know you are not antisemitic. You only think that Jews are controlling various key industries, the US government and the Church. Oh, did I mention their connection with 666, and their "demonic stronghold". No, no antisemitism here.
You need to 'reboot' your thinking. Learning about Judaism may be a start, but only if you are willing to shed your current conceptions long enough to give it an honest shot. Right now I doubt that you are capable of such a thing.
Slogan/motto:
The sky is always up, it is never down!!
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August 9th, 2012, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Cam
We get the irony in formidable, thanks for the chuckle. Seriously though, you've been a one trick pony, maybe two. Do you really have no knowledge of anything being discussed?
Yes! I know you despise the Jewish people!
I also realize that you, hate the Jewish people!!
Oh! Also, you're not very articulate!
Also, you need help!!!
One other thing, you're a crackpot conspiracy theorist!!!
The Illuminati, now that's just plain "wacko" of you to
even bring that up, child!!
Next you'll be ranting about, "UFO" people interfering
with your thought processes!!! Or the ghost of Edgar
Allen Poe is keeping you up at night!! LOL!!!
Watch out for the "Yeti." and , "The Monster Of Piedras Blancas!"
Slogan/motto:
The sky is always up, it is never down!!
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August 9th, 2012, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by chair
Cam, do you read your own posts? Who is this lady? Is she a reliable source? Is that TV show a reliable source of solid information? Does what this woman claim really show that there is something wrong with a religion practiced by millions of people?
Do you read your own posts?
You would do well to learn something about Judaism- but not from yet another anti-Jewish source.
Cam, despite your protestations, it is clear that for whatever reason you have decided to hate Jews and Israel, and believe that they are conspiring to control various governments and organizations. You interpret every bit of information or pseudo-information that you see in that light, sometimes to an absurd extent.
Yes, I know you are not antisemitic. You only think that Jews are controlling various key industries, the US government and the Church. Oh, did I mention their connection with 666, and their "demonic stronghold". No, no antisemitism here.
You need to 'reboot' your thinking. Learning about Judaism may be a start, but only if you are willing to shed your current conceptions long enough to give it an honest shot. Right now I doubt that you are capable of such a thing.
There's a JEW that lives a couple of doors down from me. He's kind of crabby. You ought to incorporate him into the conspiracy.
I mean, why's he so crabby, anyway!? Just another brick in the wall.
Also, forget the JEW that lives next door to me, who's really "nice"... He's probably an illuminati patsy. It's mind-boggling the things refuse to see!
"There was so much handwriting on the wall that even the wall fell down"
"In the long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost. The only sure weapon against bad ideas is better ideas. The source of better ideas is wisdom. The surest path to wisdom is a liberal education." – Alfred Whitney, Essays on Education
Don't you know
That it ain't a crime
If all the squares
And the junkmen
Think you're out of line
Might as well include this, it fits the time period between Feith and Perle working for Netanyahu telling him Saddam has to go, and the time when they were at the top of the Pentagon helping fabricate the fraudulent 'Saddam has nukes and could bomb America at any moment' reports.
"There was so much handwriting on the wall that even the wall fell down"
"In the long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost. The only sure weapon against bad ideas is better ideas. The source of better ideas is wisdom. The surest path to wisdom is a liberal education." – Alfred Whitney, Essays on Education
Don't you know
That it ain't a crime
If all the squares
And the junkmen
Think you're out of line
I almost dismissed this, but this post is a case study in itself. We see posts like this often, this is all GM ever posts.
The videos Zoo is responding to are Fox News reports. Whatever anyone thinks of Fox News, there is substantive, factual reporting there. There are items about which we could ask, is it true or isn't it? If it is true, what does it mean? Of course, Zoo has paid no attention to the facts as presented. His reaction is an offended, emotional one.
Vicki Polin aside, the Fox News reporting about 9/11 fits perfectly with the information presented from Oded Yinon to Feith and Perle to Wesley Clark and on up to and including this call for yet more war over Syria. Whether or not one accepts or rejects the theory in this "conspiracy theory", it's at worst plausible, and the theory is backed by credible evidence. You can verify the two reports made for the Israeli government. You can verify the positions held by Perle and Feith. General Clark is someone who has to be taken seriously.
And, what are the reactions of GM and Zoo? They attack me. No scrutiny of the information presented. No commentary. It's just, I'm a poopy face. The sum and substance of all the information presented, I get sexual gratification from the Adolf Hitler Fathead hanging on the wall in my house. This is their response.
Israel Idolatry is a demonic stronghold. You can tell me if there are actual demons there, but the stronghold, the nest of erroneous beliefs, that is plainly present. In the face of evidence to the contrary, the reaction is an offended emotional one. No reason. No intelligent conversation. Just, claws and fangs. If you are paying attention, you'll see this over and over with Christian Zionists. America is looking at yet more war, possibly even more destructive than the past 10 years, and what is the reaction of the Christian Zionists? Hands over their ears, hands over their eyes, they don't want to hear it. The rapture, they get the rapture.
Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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August 9th, 2012, 11:29 AM
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I think this comes out to something like 1500 miles square. Jews, pull up a chair. Let's just sit around here observing these dispys. I can't figure them out, either.
Somebody gave me a tip recently, he said to study cubes in the Bible. I haven't done it yet, but they may be a clue for unlocking this thing.
LOL....that is too funny.
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