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James would say that belief results in action, not moral decision.
James was written BEFORE Paul's faith alone gospel was revealed and is no longer applicable today regarding justification before God. James makes no reference to the daeth of Christ. That itself ought to tell you something.
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August 9th, 2012, 11:09 PM
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James was written BEFORE Paul's faith alone gospel was revealed and is no longer applicable today regarding justification before God. James makes no reference to the daeth of Christ. That itself ought to tell you something.
I don't think scripture is supposed to act this way. It is not like a dispensation of many years and then a new step, the church had barely started and the scriptural support suddenly changes? MMmmmmmm.....
Can't accept this. Or did I get your meaning wrong?
Peace, Ted
Wheat are NOT reborn tares !!!
Matt 13:36-43 good seed are sown by the Son of man tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil and, as per
Matthew 15:13 …Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up!
Trust, in Him, for who He is, and what He has done, and what He does for you, and what He can do through you. Believing, is giving over to Christ, accepting what He has done as Savior; and now recognizing and serving Him as King and Lord. Faith without works is dead, those works, are a product of the transformation that took place inside the follower, as a result from the trusting of, and the continual trust in Christ. We do not put the cart before the horse, the works do not come before the faith. Though if any relationship with the Lord, and any supernatural rebirth has taken place in a believer, the evidence of righteous, loving, moral, and godly deeds will ensue; or else your faith is dead, and there is no evidence of Christ in you, or that he is working through you by empowering you with the Holy Spirit to bring about His will, in you, to fruition. What you lack in ability to be obedient, you need only ask God, who willingly supplies. These gifts are guaranteed to those who pray for them.
2 Corinthians 13:5 (NASB)
Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves!
Or do you not recognize this about yourselves,
that Jesus Christ is in you—
unless indeed you fail the test?
Crown Him, ye martyrs of your God, who from His altar call;
Hail Him Who saves you by His grace, and crown Him Lord of all!
Let every tribe and every tongue before Him prostrate fall;
The God incarnate, Man divine, and crown Him Lord of all!
"Apart from me you can do nothing."~Jesus
Phil. 3:8 (ESV)
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My belief in Christ involves putting my confidence and trust in Him. That no matter what happens. I believe all will turn out all right as long as I follow Him and do God's will. It has so far therefore my trust in Him has grown.
James was written BEFORE Paul's faith alone gospel was revealed and is no longer applicable today regarding justification before God. James makes no reference to the daeth of Christ. That itself ought to tell you something.
All it tells is 'why' you think about everything God as you do. I can only imagine that Sunday school 101 for you must nave been: "How to cherry pick" what you only want to believe.
TO HOPE is the essence of faith...hope realised is no more hope but proof. To say I hope I have eternal life is not less than saying I have faith I have eternal life.
It is the demons that KNOW Jesus is LORD and they tremble... without faith.
The more I read your posts the more I question that you can be saved.
I quit wondering about you.
Quit obfuscating. Speak to Genesis 4:26. Get on with it! Don't have an answer? Find one. It should be easy for you to find one in a Calvin commentary. It will be shallow but I'll give you credit for being out of bed.
Oh, and just in case you are interested, Dr Bill Mounce was a director of the Greek Program at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. He also taught at Azusa Pacific University for ten years. He is the author of the bestselling Greek textbook, Basics of Biblical Greek, and many other resources.
Oh, and just in case you are interested, Dr Bill Mounce was a director of the Greek Program at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. He also taught at Azusa Pacific University for ten years. He is the author of the bestselling Greek textbook, Basics of Biblical Greek, and many other resources.
Thanks Jason! I will follow the link.
I always appreciate fresh expressions of old established truths of the bible and in that vein I thank you for your long replies. There seems to always be a line or two that brings a 'discovery' smile. . . :thumb
Oh, and just in case you are interested, Dr Bill Mounce was a director of the Greek Program at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. He also taught at Azusa Pacific University for ten years. He is the author of the bestselling Greek textbook, Basics of Biblical Greek, and many other resources.
I knew where Dr. Bill was leading almost from the beginning and at about the 6min. mark and up to about 7min. my thinking was confirmed.
Without equivocation I will state that the very first folk ever born again were the Disciples in John 20:22. That advent was not a baptism except to view it as the baptism into the Body of Christ. It most certainly was not the baptism of the "Holy Ghost and with fire".
I posted this to you awhile back concerning the manifestations of the Holy Spirit and that there are but three. Here's two:
"Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither know him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you." John 14:17 (KJV)
Here's the third:
The Priestly Garment which is spoken of in Ezekiel 44:
"And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high." Luke 24:49 (NASB)
"Gathering them together, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, "Which," He said, "you heard of from Me; for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now. . . .
"And this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel" Acts 2:16 (KJV)
. . . but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth." Acts 1:4-5,8 (NASB)
1. "With"
2. "In"
3. "Upon"
Jesus as a man and given the understanding of His birth (in), life (with), and baptism with the Holy Ghost (upon), the above passages should be self-explanatory to anyone one serious and objective about Jesus; absent religious agenda should seek out for himself.
I don't think scripture is supposed to act this way. It is not like a dispensation of many years and then a new step, the church had barely started and the scriptural support suddenly changes? MMmmmmmm.....
Can't accept this. Or did I get your meaning wrong?
Peace, Ted
God revealed His new covenant way of salvation progressively and not all at once. The book of James was written BEFORE God had revealed it. The book of James is the first and earliest epistle written by an apostle.
James makes no mention of the death of Christ or of any new covenant principles whatsoever. How could one who grew up with the Lord and be with Him to the end not even mention His sacrificial death? Answer: He had no idea what it meant. God had not revealed it to him. Peter too did not fully comprehend. It was about salvation specifically that Peter said that Paul's writings were "hard to be understood," 2 Peter 3:14-16.
James is not applicable today in the matter of justification before God. Paul was Christ's chosen vessel to reveal new covenant salvation, Acts 9:15; Romans 16:25-26; Galatians 1:11-12. Therefore the epistle of James is subordinate to Paul who denied justification by works. James has value in the same way the old testament writings and no further than that.
God revealed His new covenant way of salvation progressively and not all at once. The book of James was written BEFORE God had revealed it. The book of James is the first and earliest epistle written by an apostle.
James makes no mention of the death of Christ or of any new covenant principles whatsoever. How could one who grew up with the Lord and be with Him to the end not even mention His sacrificial death? Answer: He had no idea what it meant. God had not revealed it to him. Peter too did not fully comprehend. It was about salvation specifically that Peter said that Paul's writings were "hard to be understood," 2 Peter 3:14-16.
James is not applicable today in the matter of justification before God. Paul was Christ's chosen vessel to reveal new covenant salvation, Acts 9:15; Romans 16:25-26; Galatians 1:11-12. Therefore the epistle of James is subordinate to Paul who denied justification by works. James has value in the same way the old testament writings and no further than that.
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