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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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August 14th, 2012, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dave3712
What is te difference and why is this important to our discussion????
Moses and Elijah are not angels, but men.
Psalm 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
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Ps82 KJV You will die like mere men, you will fall like one of the princes, but who is it that is not a man that dies like a man?
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August 14th, 2012, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by keypurr
No friend, the image of God is a spirit like God is. You cannot see it. This image was filled with the person of the Father and the power of the Father. The only difference is one is a creation of the other. The Father created this image. Now the Father was no longer alone, he had a spiritual son. Christ is firstborn of all creatures. He was made first and higher than any other created being. God, through his son Christ, created all things.
Peace
Please show me just how you explain away this OT truth in:
Exodus 24:9,10,11,12
BTW, the KJV states ... that they saw "the body of heaven in HIS clearness."
How other versions erase the "HIS clear appearing" phrase from this text and spins it as to say that it was the sapphire stone under HIS feet that was clearly seen ... I'll never understand!
Last edited by Ps82; August 14th, 2012 at 08:35 PM.
I appreciate your considerate and polite responses very much.
I would like to respond to this set of issue separately at first, since this is the basis for stating that Jesus was a man but that Spirit in him is our God and his.
The verse you recommended to me seems to clearly support what I say about the Devil, dominating our mind, while the verse also confirms that Truth is the ideal we call the son-of-God.
2 Corinthians 4:4
Amplified Bible (AMP)
4 For the god of this world (the devil) has blinded the unbelievers’ minds [that they should not discern the truth], preventing them from seeing the illuminating light of the Gospel of the glory of Christ (the Truth), Who is the (immaterial, weightless, abstract) Image and Likeness of God.
That "all men have the power to become the sons of God" supports the idea that same spirit which indwelled Jesus can do so in us.
That is the teaching of the Church, that we can accept Christ.
Christ can become the a personal relationship with us because Christ is a mentality.
It is this mentality that we can take on even as millions of others at the same time do likewise.
The mentality is a concept, then.
The menality is a "body" of thought, but not matrial or phtsical or concrete in itself.
It is a vision in, and of, our mind.
Dave you say; "Jesus was a man but that Spirit in him is our God and his." This is all true and confirmed by:
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Since Christ is a man and God is not a man (Num.23:19) implies that Christ was/is not God.
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. (That God was in Christ implies that Christ was/is not God).
2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not. The Father is the God of Jesus Christ which implies that Christ was/is not God, for God does not have a god.
You say: That "all men have the power to become the sons of God" supports the idea that same spirit which indwelled Jesus can do so in us. That is the teaching of the Church, that we can accept Christ.
All men do not have the power to become the sons of God. Jesus said: Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Psa 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. In the day of his power we were willing and we "received" the Lord Jesus Christ - we did not accept him.
NO one can "accept" Christ for to accept means "consent to receive."
We receive Christ apart from our consent eg.Paul on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:3-22).
You say: Christ can become the a personal relationship with us because Christ is a mentality. Better to say: "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:" (Phil.2:5)
actually this is" iso aggellos" iso means exactly the same in quality and quantity like isometric exercises or isosceles triangle where the sides are all the same.
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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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August 14th, 2012, 08:09 PM
There is such a thing as rulers who are human, but they are not angels.
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
Please show me just how you explain away this OT truth in:
Exodus 24:9,10,11,12
Since the NT tells us that no man has seen God I can only guess friend. How many forms as God taken in scripture. Were these men seeing God or a form of God. God is a spirit, we have yet to begin to understand the power of a spirit. But it makes sense to me that only his express image would really see the Father fully. Only Christ would fully understand the workings of his God. I do not have many answers yet, but I still seeking Ps82, like you my friend.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
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The sky is always up, it is never down!!
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August 14th, 2012, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by keypurr
Since the NT tells us that no man has seen God I can only guess friend. How many forms as God taken in scripture. Were these men seeing God or a form of God. God is a spirit, we have yet to begin to understand the power of a spirit. But it makes sense to me that only his express image would really see the Father fully. Only Christ would fully understand the workings of his God. I do not have many answers yet, but I still seeking Ps82, like you my friend.
You mean that, only Christ would fully understand the workings of His Father fully!! Not, "His God."
You mean that, only Christ would fully understand the workings of His Father fully!! Not, "His God."
No, his father is his God. Christ is the Son of God, NOT God the Son.
Mar 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
I disagree somewhat. True the body needs the spirit for life. But I see that demons (spirits) can enter bodies so why could not a holy Christ spirit enter a body? I think that Jesus had his own spirit as well as the express image spirit in him. This is how God spoke through him. I realize that i'm applying human logic to scripture, but why would it not be possible?
Peace friend.
Keypurr you ask:
Why could not a holy Christ spirit enter a body? " What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" (1 Cor.6:19)
Keypurr, "The Holy Spirit" I know (1 Cor.6:19), "the Spirit of God" I know (Rms.8:9) and "the Spirit of Christ" I know (1 Pet.1:11) - but who or what is "a holy Christ Spirit?"
You say that you are applying human logic to scripture. Better to "Hold fast the form of sound words..." (2 Tim.1:13)
Please show me just how you explain away this OT truth in:
Exodus 24:9,10,11,12
BTW, the KJV states ... that they saw "the body of heaven in HIS clearness."
This verse supports the TE theological theory that states Moses had actually discovered the never before noticed, unseen planetary God Uranus.
The planet, which is a moving "star" against the branching constellation in the background, burned upon the trained astronomer's mind of Moses because he immediately realized he had scientific proof of another never seen God which woukd confirm the Jewish traditions of YVHV.
Armed with Scientific evidence, he also was certain that Oharaoh and his wisemen could not oppose this news, if he got others, like Aaron, to keep pointing it out even if Pharaoah tried to imporison or kill him.
Why could not a holy Christ spirit enter a body? " What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" (1 Cor.6:19)
Keypurr, "The Holy Spirit" I know (1 Cor.6:19), "the Spirit of God" I know (Rms.8:9) and "the Spirit of Christ" I know (1 Pet.1:11) - but who or what is "a holy Christ Spirit?"
You say that you are applying human logic to scripture. Better to "Hold fast the form of sound words..." (2 Tim.1:13)
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I know that friend, I was trying to point out that the body of Jesus had been given that express image of the Father spirit. For it spoke through Jesus about things that were before the world was.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Dave you say; "all men have the power to become the sons of God" supports the idea that same spirit which indwelled Jesus can do so in us.
Read:All men do not have the power to become the sons of God.
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John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
I assume you quibble on the technicality that men must receive what Christ has be preaching, understanding what the idea is, that in accepting Truth as the lord and savior in their life and in all mankind they become sons-of-God???
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