[keypurr]

Colossians in your OP you mention that Jesus is a spirit.
I see him as a human with Christ IN him.

Jesus had to be man to be the Lamb of God.
Christ, who is the image of God, would be a spirit.

Just something for you to consider.

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by godrulz

Colossians is denying the physical, bodily resurrection of Christ like JWs do?!

Yes he does. He claims Jesus has gone back to being spirit at His ascension, as Newday does.

LA

[steko]

Originally Posted by steko

The 'essence/nature/substance' GOD cannot die or cease to be.

Jesus, the man, died on the cross and resurrected the third day.

Originally Posted by keypurr

Thanks, Keypurr, but......the rest of the declaration is that because Christ's human essence is united with His GOD essence in one person, not two persons, then it is a true statement to say that the person Jesus Christ, who is GOD the Word, died on the cross. The nature and details of that death are some things to be discussed.

Of course, if one believes that man is only his body and brain and when that dies there is no more conscious existence, then the discussion becomes impossible.

On the other hand, if one believes that man is more than his body and brain, that there is a conscious spirit/soul existence apart from the body, then things begin to make sense.

If one believes that Jesus Christ is not fully GOD in all that the word GOD means and at the same time believes that there is no conscious existence apart from the body, then communication comes to a halt. There really is nothing to discuss beyond that point.

[voltaire]

Originally Posted by john w

I stay on topic, Klink:

Nope.


"What these parrots don't realise, is that it is not possible to prove Christ kept the law. For no-one alive today was there!"-Col. Klink



Prove the Lord Jesus Christ rose from the dead:


-no-one alive today was there
-"But we need you to show us proof that the bible is written by God. So show us."-Col Klink



Prove that you wrote that post to me. Show us.



I thought so.

[steko]

Jesus is 'immortal', which means He is corporeal, still.

[jerzy]

Originally Posted by steko

Jesus is 'immortal'...

The first fruits of those who follow him.

[Colossians]

Keypurr,


Colossians in your OP you mention that Jesus is a spirit.
I see him as a human with Christ IN him.
Er....that would mean that He would have a separate spirit to Christ's spirit, and that He would therefore be judged by Christ along with all humans.

So no: I don't envisage a Jesus human being standing before the judgement seat of Christ.



Jesus had to be man to be the Lamb of God. Christ, who is the image of God, would be a spirit.
Well since Jesus was the Christ, and is called Jesus Christ, no.



Finally, spare me the shifty false diplomacy. You are my enemy, and let's keep it that way. Some day you guys are going to have to learn that I can't be bluffed. I have an IQ that would make yours look retarded. So I just sit and look at your attempts to bluff and play dumb with me and think to myself: "are these guys for real?" I think the problem is that you're so used to bluffing (it is an American disease), that you think that when I say I can't be bluffed, that I myself am bluffing. I'm not bluffing: I actually can't be bluffed.

[jerzy]

Originally Posted by Colossians

I'm not bluffing...

Since you, who is not bluffing, say that Christians must uphold the Jewish accusation of Jn 10:30-33 and reject Jesus' defence of Jn 10:34-36 then Jesus must be bluffing here:

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

I have an IQ that would make yours look retarded.

Your IQ must really be extremely high.

It probably leftf your head.

[godrulz]

Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon

Yes he does. He claims Jesus has gone back to being spirit at His ascension, as Newday does.

LA

What happened to the body of Jesus? JWs who teach spirit recreation vs resurrection (which is always physical, even if glorified) say God dissolved it into gases in space?!

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by godrulz

What happened to the body of Jesus? JWs who teach spirit recreation vs resurrection (which is always physical, even if glorified) say God dissolved it into gases in space?!

Poster Collosians denies the resurrection of Jesus into a spiritual body of flesh and bone who ate fish.

He says Christ now is only spirit which He was before becoming a man.

He is very intellegent he says, but he exhibits spiritual dumbness.

LA

[Colossians]

godrulz,

What happened to the body of Jesus?
Who cares?

Physical garb, becomes garbage. God is not the father of the flesh, but "the father of spirits".

Read your bible Godrulz. Your NT knowledge is deplorable.

Refer to my thread: "Time to resurrect the resurrection thread again", and learn something for once in your life outside of your Open Theism prescribed reading.

[godrulz]

Originally Posted by Colossians

godrulz,

What happened to the body of Jesus?
Who cares?

Physical garb, becomes garbage. God is not the father of the flesh, but "the father of spirits".

Read your bible Godrulz. Your NT knowledge is deplorable.

Refer to my thread: "Time to resurrect the resurrection thread again", and learn something for once in your life outside of your Open Theism prescribed reading.

Biblical, historical, orthodox Christianity affirms that resurrection is always physical in Scripture with Jesus being the glorified God-Man forever. Your view is rank heresy and not held by credible conservative scholars who have always argued for the physical (glorified body, not mortal body) resurrection of Christ.

JWs are the group that teach spirit recreation. Jn. 2:19-21 and Lk. 24:38-39 refute you.

http://carm.org/christianity/christi...ction-answered

[jerzy]

Originally Posted by godrulz

...Jesus being the glorified God-Man...

You are going to answer for this blasphemy against the Father the only one true God before the judgement seat.

[godrulz]

Originally Posted by jerzy

You are going to answer for this blasphemy against the Father the only one true God before the judgement seat.

Rev. 4-5 Jesus is worshipped co-equally with the Father in these passage. He is given the honors, attributes, names/titles, deeds, seat of authority as the Father.

Biblical Christians worship Jesus as YHWH. It is blasphemy to say God is a devil, etc. It pleases the Father to recognize the Son as Deity (Phil. 2; Jn. 1; Heb. 1; Col. 1; etc.).

This is what I do and you fail to do (the Greek conveys the idea of in the exact same way): John 5:23

[jerzy]

Originally Posted by godrulz

Rev. 4-5 Jesus is worshipped co-equally with the Father in these passage. He is given the honors, attributes, names/titles, deeds, seat of authority as the Father.

And you neither found in the scriptures that the word conveniently translated here as worship is of multiple meaning and that Jesus was made the Lord no that people were “worshipped”.

Biblical Christians worship Jesus as YHWH.

You have to write the Bible where Jesus is YHWH.

It is blasphemy to say God is a devil...

Who said that?

It pleases the Father to recognize the Son as Deity (Phil. 2; Jn. 1; Heb. 1; Col. 1; etc.).

As deity working through him.

This is what I do and you fail to do (the Greek conveys the idea of in the exact same way): John 5:23

Because what the Son said was not his own word but that of the Father his God. Just notice what Jesus said prior your quote.

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

I find it utterly dishonest knowing that Jn 1 is in no way a Trinitarian proof text but you keep pointing to it.

Is it because you have nothing else to put your foot into and have to paddle the lie against your own scholars?