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August 14th, 2012, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by vegascowboy
No reason to be rude. What is it about common courtesy that people lack today? I realize that I often live in the past, but why cannot we all be civil, even when we disagree? I did not see the other part of your thread, to be honest, and yes, I can read thank you. I was hasty in my reading; my apologies.
Your experiences are your own, and I do not begrudge them to you.
Sorry, didn't mean to be rude, it just seemed like you were picking the bits of my post that you could argue, ignoring the fact that the rest of the post was agreeing with you.
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August 14th, 2012, 03:59 PM
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But the legality of firearms is a legislative issue. Do you think personal emotion should guide legislative decisions? Their responsibility is the general population and objective stats should be their guide.
Legislative issues become emotional issues when it comes to the safety of my children. Yes. I am not afraid to admit that my emotion and drive to protect them often weighs on my desire to legislate in that direction.
We, as God's children, are emotional creatures. Somethings this is a good thing, and sometimes it is a hindrance. In this case, however, there is precious little that could persuade me that legislating in favor of allowing me all the protection I can for my own children is a bad thing.
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August 14th, 2012, 04:00 PM
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No, if you look at my first post I posted the stats as a comment to an article about the strict gun laws in Japan and their consequences. I threw in Norway because it is my own country, and I have familiarity with the gun laws here.
But to list the United Kingdom. Their stats are 1,2 intentional homicides in total per 100 000 citizens per year (It is 6,09 in the US, 0,6 in Norway and 0,4 in Japan). 0,07 of those are committed by firearms.
Yeah, I missed that, sorry.
I don't know how useful the stats are really, as so many other factors relate to crime rates and homicide rates. The economic factor and the extreme number of people below the poverty line in the United States is something that I'm sure plays a larger role in the crime rates than guns do. That many use guns in their crimes is neither here nor there, really.
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August 14th, 2012, 04:00 PM
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Sorry, didn't mean to be rude, it just seemed like you were picking the bits of my post that you could argue, ignoring the fact that the rest of the post was agreeing with you.
My apologies to you, again, for not seeing the rest of what you had to say.
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August 14th, 2012, 04:05 PM
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Yeah, I missed that, sorry.
I don't know how useful the stats are really, as so many other factors relate to crime rates and homicide rates. The economic factor and the extreme number of people below the poverty line in the United States is something that I'm sure plays a larger role in the crime rates than guns do. That many use guns in their crimes is neither here nor there, really.
I do not deny that. It would be naive and unjustified to attribute it all to the legality of firearms. Not to mention that the math doesn't add up, even if you you remove all homicides committed by firearms in the US, their overall homicide rate is still higher than all the countries I mentioned.
All I have intended to say is that the statistics warrants questioning the legality of firearms, especially when 2/3 of all intentional homicides in the US are committed by firearms, but that does not exclude other factors of course.
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August 14th, 2012, 04:07 PM
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Tourism, buddy. That woman rakes in a ton of money for us!
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August 14th, 2012, 04:09 PM
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The best thing about Great Britain? "Queen" Victoria!!!
Nice!
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If you start to look at countries with worse records than the USA such as Mexico and South Africa, there gun ownership rates are a lot lower.
However lots of other factors come into play here.
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I do not deny that. It would be naive and unjustified to attribute it all to the legality of firearms. Not to mention that the math doesn't add up, even if you you remove all homicides committed by firearms in the US, their overall homicide rate is still higher than all the countries I mentioned.
All I have intended to say is that the statistics warrants questioning the legality of firearms, especially when 2/3 of all intentional homicides in the US are committed by firearms, but that does not exclude other factors of course.
Your capability to understand maths, stats and form an argument when you failed to cross reference to columns and notice that the number of gun murders in the USA in 2010 was actually 8775.
Not the figure of 6836 you chose, I actually could not find your figure anywhere on the sheet you linked to.
Because you can't do math.
8775 is the number of total firearms. Not all firearms are guns.
6836 is the sum of handguns, rifles, shotguns and other guns: 6009, 358, 373 and 96.
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After that schoolboy error your a country mile out in everything you calculate after that point.
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Not really because I have reference 3 or 4 good sources that say both of you are wrong, by a good margin.
Show it then.
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Firstly your final stats gave gun murders at 51% of all murders which proves my point, not the point you made.
I didn't look up he actual numbers to justifiable homicides, but it's there, so let's look at it now.
So you ignored the 1,939 unclassified guns because it suited you.
They weren't unclassified guns, they were unidentified firearms, which are not necessarily guns. Bows are firearms, as well as crossbows, for instance.
But, seriously, what kind of guns aren't classified? If they can be legally owned then they would be classified.
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please elaborate what is the difference between a gun and a firearm?
See above.
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i think the stats say gun, but we don't know what type, rather than 2,00 Americans each year get shot by bazooka's or other strange weapons .
See above.
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Are you really that stupid or were you trying to cut the figures dishionestly ?
I can see the need for shotguns and rifles especially for rural communities.
I see no need for handguns, rapid fire weapons explosives or military grade body armour or 'special ammunition' for private individuals.
However the complexities of the US legal/law enforcement system and the sheer number of firearms in circulation will make the change a really hard thing to do well.
Why do you feel private citizens do not need to own handguns, rapid fire weapons (semi and fully auto) or military grade body armour?
They are designed to kill people and for combat capabilities only. I don't believe we should be putting that kind of capability into everyone hands.
Rifles and shotguns have legitimate hunting and tool purposes in a rural community, also I get the need that there is a stronger need for your own weapon if you live 30 miles away from law enforcement
They also make up very small numbers of the gun homicides committed.
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Why do you feel private citizens do not need to own handguns, rapid fire weapons (semi and fully auto) or military grade body armour?
They weren't unclassified guns, they were unidentified firearms, which are not necessarily guns. Bows are firearms, as well as crossbows, for instance.
In the Brave New World (Nanny State) the Liberals/Socialists propose, all firearms would be illegal if they were not needed to protect the government's hold over the people for their own protection, of course. A new civilian branch with some sort of security patch worn for ID. SS standing for super security may be a good insignia unless someone comes up with something better. Certain organizations would probably be exempt because of the wonderful work they do in support of the government. ACORN, Black Muslims, the main stream media, and Planned Parenthood would probably fall into this category. Border Patrol Agents would be dismissed and their weapons melted down so they couldn't hurt anyone anymore coming across our open borders. The government would take over the distribution of drugs, especially to those troublemakers who refuse to accept hope and change. Returning war veterans would have to be watched and/or reprogrammed before they can be trusted to re-enter society. Our money would be secularized -- no more in God we trust. That might offend someone. No more Christmas trees or other Christian holidays celebrated, no more Hanukkah or other Jewish holidays celebrated, someone somewhere might take offense. Kwanzza would be celebrated by all. Each day would start out with our right arms outstretched in support of our Dear Leader. This would continue through the day as a greeting to others and to show support for our subjugation, er I mean freedom. The UN will be the overall governing body because they have our best interests at heart, right? I hope the women out there will grow to love the burqa and accept female circumcision. Embrace the future laid out for you. Maybe I'm just being an optimist. We may not have it this good.
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