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Please read carefully

The purpose of this thread is to establish a resource on TOL for all current and future TOL users. I am asking that everyone refrain from commenting on anything except the topic. I will start another thread for your comments. I can only do that if it is allowed, I need to hear from Knight or a Moderator before I proceed.

I am removing everyone from my ignore list except the atheists, they don't believe we are under the influence of a governing force outside of us, i.e. God.



The Challenge is to find all words in the New Testament attributed to Jesus that are not directly quoted or paraphrased from the Old Testament. There should be nothing in this thread except a list of those words.

I guess I should have asked for the book/chapter/verse also.

[Bright Raven]

Lion of the Tribe of Judah

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Change of plans:

Go ahead and post your comments in this thread.

[unknown]

As we read Matthew the first words that Jesus are attributed with are found in Mat 1:15

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

The next thing we read attributed to Jesus is in Mat 4:4

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

This is found in Deut 8:3

And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.

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Matt 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
{from Deuteronomy 6:16 – "Do not put the LORD your God to the test, as you tested him at Massah."}


Matt 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
[Deuteronomy 6:13] – "The LORD your God you shall fear; him you shall serve, and by his name alone you shall swear."}

Matt 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
No OT parallel. Clasifing men as different types of fish is attributed to Gamaliel

Since the Hillel school of thought is presented collectively, there are very few other teachings which are clearly identifiable as Gamaliel's. There is only a somewhat cryptic dictum, comparing his students to classes of fish:

A ritually impure fish: one who has memorised everything by study, but has no understanding, and is the son of poor parents A ritually pure fish: one who has learnt and understood everything, and is the son of rich parents A fish from the Jordan River: one who has learnt everything, but doesn't know how to respond A fish from the Mediterranean: one who has learnt everything, and knows how to respond

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamaliel

[Eeset]

Gosh I thought the first words were when he was missing but turned up teaching in the temple. Wasn't he about 12?

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Eeset

Gosh I thought the first words were when he was missing but turned up teaching in the temple. Wasn't he about 12?

I could be wrong, but I started wih Matthew and didn't see it. Can you give the Chapter and verse? That's what this thread is for.

Btw, I encorauge every one to correct any errors found in this list. All errors.

I do remember Him saying He must be about His faters business but I don't remember which gospel it's in. I am gonig in the order of most NT's and I am only doing the 4 gospels.

[Eeset]

Originally Posted by unknown

I could be wrong, but I started wih Matthew and didn't see it. Can you give the Chapter and verse? That's what this thread is for.

Btw, I encorauge every one to correct any errors found in this list. All errors.

I do remember Him saying He must be about His faters business but I don't remember which gospel it's in. I am gonig in the order of most NT's and I am only doing the 4 gospels.

Now that seems a bit silly since no one knows which book was first written.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Eeset

Now that seems a bit silly since no one knows which book was first written.

If you read my post carefully you will see

Originally Posted by unknown

As we read Matthew

Go in any oder YOU want, I'm doing it front to back, doesn't matter at all.

Nobody has to paticipate but some already have and I thank them for there time.

If you read the OP, you can see that I am also adding the verses that ARE in the OT. The words of Jesus are easy to find, if you hve a red letter edition of the NT.

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maybe, if readers knew my intention with this thread they might get interested (just a thought)

I'm sure some have alresdy made up their minds about what I'm doing but I'll bet they are wrong. Nobody asked "why" I asked for words of Jesus that are not in the OT.

A Rabbi wrote a book called Kosher Jesus (I just got a copy 2 days ago). In his promotion of the book he says; with only rare exception is Jesus quoted as saying anything that is not found in the OT.

I am trying to investigate that claim, so far it doesn't seem right, but I won't know until I examine every word that is attributed to Jesus. I have a list of NT/OT parallels, now I am sorting out the rest.

This takes many hours of study and I was hoping for some help. I guess yall ain't up for any of that. So be it.......I'll not be discouraged though.

I have revamped my format again (I'm making this up as I go). You will see it in the next post.

I will move the earlier verses to the new format later. Right now I will post words attributted to Jesus that are known to have OT parallels and then post those that don't. When I finish a book (of the 4 gospels) I will consolidate the list for that book. I'm trying to build a usable resorurce for anyone who is interested. I could do this all myself, post it on my websites and leave TOL out altogether but I feel such a resourse will draw traffic for TOL. I am not a paid subscriber and thought that might be a way I could contribute something other than what I have been doing.

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Matthew 5:21 – "You have heard that it was said to those of ancient times, 'You shall not murder'; and 'whoever murders shall be liable to judgment.' "
Exodus 20:13 – "You shall not murder". Deuteronomy 5:17 – "You shall not murder."

Matthew 5:27 – "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' "
Exodus 20:14 – "You shall not commit adultery." Deuteronomy 5:18 – "Neither shall you commit adultery."

Matthew 5:31 – "It was also said, 'Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.' "
Deuteronomy 24:1-2 – "Suppose a man enters into marriage with a woman, but she does not please him because he finds something objectionable about her, and so he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house; she then leaves his house / and goes off to become another man's wife."

Matthew 5:33 – "Again, you have heard that it was said to those of ancient times, 'You shall not swear falsely, but carry out the vows you have made to the Lord.' "
Leviticus 19:12 – "And you shall not swear falsely by my name, profaning the name of your God: I am the LORD."
Numbers 30:2 – "When a man makes a vow to the LORD, or swears an oath to bind himself by a pledge, he shall not break his word; he shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth."

Matthew 5:38 – "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' "
Numbers 30:2 – "When a man makes a vow to the LORD, or swears an oath to bind himself by a pledge, he shall not break his word; he shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth."
Exodus 21:24 – "eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot."
Leviticus 24:19-20 – "Anyone who maims another shall suffer the same injury in return: / fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; the injury inflicted is the injury to be suffered."
Deuteronomy 19:21 – "Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot."

Matthew 5:43 – "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' "
Leviticus 19:18 – "You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against any of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD."

Matthew 9:13a – "Go and learn what this means, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' "
Hosea 6:6 – "For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings."
Matthew 10:35-36 – "For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; / and one's foes will be members of one's own household."
Micah 7:6 – "for the son treats the father with contempt, the daughter rises up against her mother, the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; your enemies are members of your own household."

Matthew 11:10 – This is the one [John Baptist] about whom it is written, "See, I am sending my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you."
Malachi 3:1 – "See, I am sending my messenger to prepare the way beforeme, and the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple. The messenger of the covenant in whom you delight--indeed, he is coming, says the LORD of hosts."

Matthew 12:7 – "But if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the guiltless."
Hosea 6:6 – "For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings."

Matthew 12:40 – "For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so for three days and three nights the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth."
Jonah 1:17 – "But the LORD provided a large fish to swallow up Jonah; and Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights."

Matthew 13:14-15 – "With them indeed is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah that says: 'You will indeed listen, but never understand, and you will indeed look, but never perceive. / For this people's heart has grown dull, and their ears are hard of hearing, and they have shut their eyes; so that they might not look with their eyes, and listen with their ears, and understand with their heart and turn-- and I would heal them.'
Isaiah 6:9-10 – "Go and say to this people: 'Keep listening, but do not comprehend; keep looking, but do not understand.' / Make the mind of this people dull, and stop their ears, and shut their eyes, so that they may not look with their eyes, and listen with their ears, and comprehend with their minds, and turn and be healed."

Matthew 15:4a – "For God said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' "
Deuteronomy 5:16 – "Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God commanded you, so that your days may be long and that it may go well with you in the land that the LORD your God is giving you."

Matthew 15:4b – "[For God said…] and 'Whoever speaks evil of father or mother must surely die.' "
Exodus 21:17 – "Whoever curses father or mother shall be put to death."

Matthew 15:7-9 – "You hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied rightly about you when he said: 'This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me; / in vain do they worship me, teaching human precepts as doctrines.' "
Isaiah 29:13 – "The Lord said: Because these people draw near with their mouths and honor me with their lips, while their hearts are far from me, and their worship of me is a human commandment learned by rote;"

Matthew 18:16 – "But if you are not listened to, take one or two others along with you, so that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses."
Deuteronomy 19:15 – "A single witness shall not suffice to convict a person of any crime or wrongdoing in connection with any offense that may be committed. Only on the evidence of two or three witnesses shall a charge be sustained."

Matthew 19:4 – He [jesus] answered, "Have you not read that the one who made them at the beginning "made them male and female,' "
Genesis 5:2 – "Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them 'Humankind' when they were created."
Genesis 5:2 – "Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them 'Humankind' when they were created."

Matthew 19:5 – and said, "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
Genesis 2:24 – "Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and clings to his wife, and they become one flesh."

Matthew 19:18b-19a – And Jesus said, "You shall not murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; / Honor your father and mother"
Exodus 20:12-16 – "Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the LORD your God is giving you. 13 You shall not murder. 14 You shall not commit adultery. 15 You shall not steal. 16 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."