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That's a scientific fact as well as a theological one.
In fact, it's neither.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
[font="Georgia"]My views are entirely conventional scientifically speaking. Evolution is an ongoing process in nature. It has occurred, and continues to occur, in both cosmological and biological senses.
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From the standpoint of the Christian faith, I affirm that God is necessary for every process (all events or occurrances) in nature. The theological term for this is divine providence.
Are incompatible. Natural selection is a theory of environmentally-driven change. I don't think your view of god is a pantheistic or deist one.
Stuart
Could someone please tell Cruciform about this. He has me on ignore because, despite his claim of having "Catholic answers", he would rather ignore my "Catholic questions".
[font="Georgia"]No, I simply affirm what the New Testament teaches in Hebrews 11:3:[indent][b][color="RoyalBlue"]"By [u][color="Navy"][size="3"]faith[/size][/color][/u] we understand that the world was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was made out of things which do not appear."[/color][/b][/indent][/font]
So do I.
I'm just not one to pretend that because one has faith one cannot have scientific reason as well.
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[font="Georgia"]On the other hand, see [url="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/information/infotheory.html"][b][color="RoyalBlue"][size="3"]here[/size][/color][/b][/url] and [url="http://www.antievolution.org/cs/evolutionary_increases_in_information"][b][color="RoyalBlue"][size="3"]here[/size][/color][/b][/url].[/font]
The process by which existence exists as it does was written into it from the start. But chance and choice are fundamental aspects of that process, so I don't think we can infer that our existence was predestined.
Existence is not a static state. It's an event, occurring. Everything is changing and evolving all the time. Not according to any strict script, but with a set of limitations that are inherent in the nature of existence, itself.
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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August 21st, 2012, 11:43 AM
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So do I. I'm just not one to pretend that because one has faith one cannot have scientific reason as well.
According to Hebrews, the Christian belief that the material world was created by God is something which is known specifically "by faith," and is thus a theological matter. Science---an empirical discipline which did not even develop until the 18th century---is another category altogether.
You think people are less complex than the supposed universal common ancestor?
Already answered.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
[font="Georgia"]According to Hebrews, the Christian belief that the material world was created by God is something which is known specifically "by [b][i]faith[/i][/b]," and is thus a [i][u]theological[/u][/i] matter. Science---an empirical discipline which did not even [i]develop[/i] until the 18th century---is another category altogether.[/font]
Only because you think it's fair to project upon them your insistence that faith and science are mutually exclusive realms.
They're not. Having scientific reasons for ideas does nothing to necessarily diminish faith.
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[font="Georgia"]Already rebutted in my previous post.[/font]
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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August 21st, 2012, 09:18 PM
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Only because you think it's fair to project upon them your insistence that faith and science are mutually exclusive realms.
Merely a Straw Man Fallacy on your part, since I never said that faith and science are "mutually exclusive" realms, only different realms answering different sorts of questions.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
So you think the next generation can never be more complex but numerous generations can produce more complexity.
Typical atheist.
Get back to us when you're ready to be rational.
Once again, that is not what you said originally. Please go back and read your original claim, then perhaps reflect on the honesty of moving the goalposts has much as you have.
If you would like to engage on that original claim, let us know.
[font="Georgia"]Merely a Straw Man Fallacy on your part, since I never said that faith and science are "mutually exclusive" realms, only [i][u]different[/u][/i] realms answering different sorts of questions.[i]Gaudium de veritate[/i],Cruciform+T+[/font]
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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August 22nd, 2012, 10:55 AM
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You don't know the difference between "different" and "mutually exclusive"? No wonder you're dizzy.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
[font="Georgia"]You don't know the difference between "different" and "mutually exclusive"? No wonder you're dizzy. :chuckle:[i]Gaudium de veritate[/i],Cruciform+T+[/font]
Then you should quit using the faith verses as if they deny the possibility of justification by scientific investigation.
August 20th, 2012, 06:02 PM
You think people are less complex than the supposed universal common ancestor?
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