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September 1st, 2012, 03:01 PM

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One aspect I'd really like to discuss...

Do you believe that viruses are alive? Are they "life forms?"
I do not think Viruses are technically considered "alive", which is odd considering they can die. The reason I say they are not alive is because they lack metabolism a necessary characteristic of life.



   
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September 7th, 2012, 10:29 AM

Three now dead because of Hantavirus in Yosemite, eight infected.

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September 7th, 2012, 10:39 AM

Thanks.
This is all very informative.

As of yesterday, there have been 14 deaths this year alone (and many more sick( in Dallas, TX. due to west nile virus.
Dallas is only around 50 miles from where I am.






   
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September 7th, 2012, 03:31 PM

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Thanks.
This is all very informative.

As of yesterday, there have been 14 deaths this year alone (and many more sick( in Dallas, TX. due to west nile virus.
Dallas is only around 50 miles from where I am.
Indiana is worried about West Nile Virus too. I haven't heard of any deaths yet here. I'll have to check into it. Thanks.





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I do not think Viruses are technically considered "alive", which is odd considering they can die. The reason I say they are not alive is because they lack metabolism a necessary characteristic of life.
I cannot think of another microbe that is so ambiguous. Every thing on Earth either is or is not alive. They have all the characteristics of a living organism, or they don't.

Viruses are somewhere in between.





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September 13th, 2012, 07:52 AM

From Fox News this morning:

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/0...est=latestnews





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September 13th, 2012, 07:59 AM

As if all this isn't enough to worry about, a brain-eating amoeba kills southern Indiana man. The story is below.

Source: http://www.wibc.com/news/story.aspx?ID=1768504





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September 16th, 2012, 12:10 AM

Source: Fox News

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September 16th, 2012, 12:30 AM

Source: Fox News, something new to worry about.

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September 16th, 2012, 07:47 AM

Never studied population genetics, um?

Lots of math for you there.

BTW, the one virus I know about that would threaten us as a species if transmitted by air would be rabies. Everyone but one person who has contracted the disease has died. Of course we do have successful vaccinations to prevent it.

Ebola is pretty bad, but even there, 10% of the population survives an infection.

Genetic diversity is a huge advantage for a species.

Edit: Ebola vaccine
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I do not think Viruses are technically considered "alive", which is odd considering they can die. The reason I say they are not alive is because they lack metabolism a necessary characteristic of life.
All life is said the be cellular as well and viruses are not made of cells.

Viruses don't "die" per se they fall apart and become non-infectious. Most are just packets of nucleic acid and protein.

They can reproduce inside of a living cell and because they have genetic material they can evolve.

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I cannot think of another microbe that is so ambiguous. Every thing on Earth either is or is not alive. They have all the characteristics of a living organism, or they don't.

Viruses are somewhere in between.
The evidence suggests that they are not pre-life, but rather bit of living things that managed to escape and take off on their own.

Even less alive, but capable of reproduction are the prions. They are merely proteins, with no DNA or RNA at all.





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September 16th, 2012, 02:14 PM

Journal of General Virology - The Origin of the 1918 Pandemic Influenza Virus: a Continuing Enigma

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The "brain-eating amoeba" BTW, is nothing new. It's always present in natural bodies of water, but getting an infection is relatively rare.





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As of yesterday, there have been 14 deaths this year alone (and many more sick( in Dallas, TX. due to west nile virus.
Dallas is only around 50 miles from where I am.
In Indiana, we've just had our 3rd death confirmed.

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