[Pneuma]

Originally Posted by beloved57

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Uh no we do not ! If you want to discuss that, we need to discuss how you believe one is saved, but not here in this thread !

Nope don't want to go there. People are always saying you cannot be saved,a child of God, a christian unless you believe as I do. It is all crap. All it does is divide the body of Christ.

[Apple7]

Originally Posted by keypurr

My Lord gives me the right to the tree of life Apple7. My God has given him the power to pass out the tickets.

Take a good look, pops...Jesus has complete authority over the Tree of Life...He did not ask permission....Jesus, as God, has always had the authority...


• The Book of Revelation describes to us the Tree of Life and the Water of Life, as found in the Paradise of God
• The first mention of the Tree of Life comes from Jesus Christ (Rev 2.7)
• Jesus declares that He, alone, gives the right to eat of the Tree of Life in the Paradise of God, via the dative, singular, masculine, personal pronoun, “autos”, and the first-person singular “didomi”, rendered as “give” or “bestow a gift”
• Jesus also informs John that He is the giver of the Water of Life (Rev 21.6 – 7)
• Jesus declares that He, alone, gives the right to drink from the Water of Life in the Paradise of God, via the first-person, nominative, singular, personal pronoun, “ego”; and, once again, the text uses the first-person singular “didomi”, rendered as “give” or “bestow a gift”
• In these verses, “Theos” is in the nominative case, indicating that Jesus is the subject of the verb “esomai” establishing Him as God
• Further, observe that Jesus establishes that His deity is directly interchangeable with the Father, making the ones overcoming, the sons to Him
• In the final chapter of Revelation, Jesus’ angel shows John that the Tree of Life is part of the Water of Life, in the Paradise of God (Rev 22.1 – 4)
• Revelation chapter 22 declares that both the Water of Life and the Tree of Life are intertwined with one another, and emanate from the singular throne of God and the Lamb
• Jesus clearly establishes that He, alone, is responsible for providing both drink and food in Paradise
• In Revelation 7.13 – 17, we are informed that the redeemed, the victorious, the Elect, which are in Paradise, before the singular Throne of Jesus, of God, are removed from hunger, from thirst, and from heat by Jesus Christ


Simply more scriptural ignorance on your part.

Now....do your thing...and ignore what scripture says...finish-out your days in ignorance...

[Pneuma]

Originally Posted by SeraphimsCherub

Anyone can choose to use what ever verses they desire in want to convince another of what they believe. The greater POWER i choose to believe JESUS CHRIST IS{THE MOST HIGH GOD,BOTH IN THE SPIRITUAL REALM,AND THE PHYSICAL} to be. The greater my faith will be in HIM and what HE CAN DO. He who has the POWER to lay down HIS life,and the POWER to RAISE it back up agian. IS GOD. Demons who are a far greater power than you,or I,believe in HIM,and TREMBLE. So we might want to think long and hard about who we choose to believe JESUS CHRIST really is. The MAN put ETERNITY on HIS WORDS,and said..."HEAVEN,AND EARTH SHALL PASS AWAY BUT MY WORDS ABIDETH FOREVER,AND SHALL NEVER PASS AWAY!

You are free to believe that. I believe Jesus Christ is God, but NOT God the Father. Jesus' own words tell us he is NOT the Father. I simply believe Jesus knew who He was.

[Pneuma]

Originally Posted by keypurr

Welcome to TOL, I don't think I have posted with you before.

Thanks for the welcome keypurr. we will get to know each other as time goes by. Good to meet you.

[Pneuma]

Originally Posted by Totton Linnet

He laid aside His and took it up again no mere man could do that.

I never met a son who was different in nature or attributes to his father...but keypurr begot a rabbit.

Can't speak for others but I have never said Jesus was just a man.

God never said let me make man in my image and likeness.
God said let us make man in our image and likeness.

At least two disticnt personalities are in that statement.


and Adam was a son of God.

[Pneuma]

Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote

Yet God said that there was no God formed before or after Him, Isaiah 43:10.

How many times need you be told this?

hmmmm no God FORMED before or after Him. does this not tell us the Lord was saying He was the first formed of the Father, the captian of our salvation.

[Pneuma]

Originally Posted by Pierac

Well played Beloved57 … you expose this subject!!!

When Trinitarians say "God," they mean the combination of all three persons, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. If they want to refer to one specific member of the Trinity they will use the corresponding name such as "the Son" etc.

That’s it for the definitions for now, I hope that wasn’t too deep! Okay, one set up verse. Trinitarians will agree that there is only one God who is called Yahweh. The problem is that they include Jesus as a member of Yahweh. But for now, we all agree that the only God is Yahweh.

Isaiah 45:5 – "I am the LORD (YHWH) and there is no other, there is no God besides me."

This is pretty simple. YHWH is the ONLY God. So far, so good.

Exodus 3:15 – "Thus shall you say to the Israelites: The LORD (YHWH), the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob, has sent me to you."

Okay, the God of your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the LORD (YHWH).

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob = YHWH.

Acts 3:13 – "The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has glorified his servant Jesus."

Does this verse imply that Jesus is the God of Abraham etc.? Of course not! Just read it. The God of Abraham glorified who?

Himself? No! He glorified his servant Jesus. This is not difficult. Jesus is obviously not the God of Abraham etc. He is the God of Abraham’s SERVANT. Who is the God of Abraham? YHWH. And YHWH is who? The ONLY God. So Jesus is not God? Of course not. He is God’s anointed.

Acts 10:38 – "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power. He went about doing good and healing all oppressed by the devil, for God was with him."

Who anointed Jesus? It doesn’t say the Father anointed Jesus, it says GOD. You can obviously see that Jesus is not the God that anointed him. If I said, "The king anointed Bob," would you think that it meant that Bob is the king? Of course not. Jesus is the servant whom God anointed to do his will. That is the whole purpose of anointing someone, to give them the wisdom and power that they will need in order to serve God. Does it make sense to you that God would anoint God with God?

I just proved you right… Beloved57 !

Paul

Well said but will they be able to see it.

[SeraphimsCherub]

Originally Posted by Pneuma

You are free to believe that. I believe Jesus Christ is God, but NOT God the Father. Jesus' own words tell us he is NOT the Father. I simply believe Jesus knew who He was.

Amen brother...I believe that too. The SON is the Eternal Word of YHWH The Father become Flesh by the Inception of Their/His Holy Spirit. Kind of like...They are He,and HE IS THE ONLY ONE TRUE,AND LIVING GOD OVER ALL...FATHER~SON~&~HOLY SPIRIT. That's the best i can come up with when it comes to Trinity Logic. Incomprehensiable,and thus it should be when it comes to trying to understand the BEING,and ESSENSE OF ALMIGHTY GOD. Nevertheless it is fun trying,and I'm pretty sure that GOD chuckles,and get's a little kick out our Trinity equations. Lol...

[Pneuma]

Originally Posted by SeraphimsCherub

Amen brother...I believe that too. The SON is the Eternal Word of YHWH The Father become Flesh by the Inception of Their/His Holy Spirit. Kind of like...They are He,and HE IS THE ONLY ONE TRUE,AND LIVING GOD OVER ALL...FATHER~SON~&~HOLY SPIRIT. That's the best i can come up with when it comes to Trinity Logic. Incomprehensiable,and thus it should be when it comes to trying to understand the BEING,and ESSENSE OF ALMIGHTY GOD. Nevertheless it is fun trying,and I'm pretty sure that GOD chuckles,and get's a little kick out our Trinity equations. Lol...

You misunderstood me SC, I don't believe in a trinity. I believe that their is God the Father the one true God and God the Son both disticnt from each other but of one purpose.


our God is ONE, not 3.

[Iconodule]

Originally Posted by Pierac

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[color="Blue"]When Trinitarians say "God," they mean the combination of all three persons, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Nope.

We refer to the Trinity as God and also the individual hypostases as God. So yes, we do refer to each hypostasis as God: "God the Father," "God the Son," "God the Holy Spirit." How can we refer to each hypostasis as God, and still worship one God? Because they have a single undivided essence.

When we refer to the whole Trinity as God we are not referring to simply a "combination," but their common essence. Hence the Creed says that Jesus Christ is "of one essence (homoousios) with the Father."

We sing, at the Liturgy, "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the Trinity one in essence and undivided."

Please take time to study the classic expositions of Trinitarian doctrine. Here, for instance, is Saint Gregory the Theologian's classic exposition "On the Son" : http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf207.iii.xv.html

Trinitarians will agree that there is only one God who is called Yahweh. The problem is that they include Jesus as a member of Yahweh.

Jesus is Yahweh. He says so himself:

"Before Abraham was, I AM." (John 8: 58)

What does "Yahweh" mean? "I AM."

Acts 3:13 – "The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has glorified his servant Jesus."

Does this verse imply that Jesus is the God of Abraham etc.? Of course not! Just read it. The God of Abraham glorified who?

[color="blue"] Himself? No! He glorified his servant Jesus. [b]

God the Father glorifies God the Son. They are distinct hypostases. So God can indeed glorify His Son and indeed Himself, as they are united in essence.

Your arguments stem from a basic misunderstanding of Christian Trinitarian doctrine. Back to the drawing board with you.

I close with Matthew 22: 41-45:

41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

[SeraphimsCherub]

JEHOVAH YHWH GOD IS GOD THE FATHER~GOD THE SON~&~GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT~&~GOD THE FATHER~GOD THE SON~&~GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE JEHOVAH YHWH GOD.

[SeraphimsCherub]

Originally Posted by Pneuma

You misunderstood me SC, I don't believe in a trinity. I believe that their is God the Father the one true God and God the Son both disticnt from each other but of one purpose.


our God is ONE, not 3.

It's all good bro...if you believe there's no Trinity. I'm definitely not going to loose any sleep over it,and neither should you if i believe there is. We both Love JESUS,and Believe HE'S GOD,and that's all that truly matters.


Blessings...
SC

[Pneuma]

Originally Posted by SeraphimsCherub

It's all good bro...if you believe there's no Trinity. I'm definitely not going to loose any sleep over it,and neither should you if i believe there is. We both Love JESUS,and Believe HE'S GOD,and that's all that truly matters.


Blessings...
SC

[Apple7]

Originally Posted by Pneuma

You misunderstood me SC, I don't believe in a trinity. I believe that their is God the Father the one true God and God the Son both disticnt from each other but of one purpose.


our God is ONE, not 3.

The Trinity is not three.

No wonder you think that you reject it...you don't even know what it is!

Typical uni....

[Pneuma]

Originally Posted by Apple7

The Trinity is not three.

No wonder you think that you reject it...you don't even know what it is!

Typical uni....

1+1+1=3 not 1

God the Father + God the Son + God the Holy Spirit = 3 Gods not 1 God


And no you cannot use multiplication because Jesus always make a disticntion between Himself and the Father and also between Himself and the Holy Spirit.

No matter how you slice it you talk about 3 Gods but call those 3 Gods 1.

If the Holy Spirit is a God and Jesus says He will send ANOTHER it obviously is ANOTHER.