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You didn't answer my question?? Instead, you sent me off
in a different direction. A great tactic for someone trying, their
best to avoid answering a difficult question!! My compliments!
You didn't answer my question?? Instead, you sent me off
in a different direction. A great tactic for someone trying, their
best to avoid answering a difficult question!! My compliments!
Astute observation my friend.
"The Bible is very clear, Christians aren't supposed to be busybodies, nor are they supposed to strive with any man who hasn't harmed him (Or someone else, by implication.)" RandPaulfor2016, May 10, 2013
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The sky is always up, it is never down!!
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September 19th, 2012, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Cross Reference
ALL THREW THE BIBLE
From the OT
"I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me." Proverbs 8:17 (KJV)
And from the NT ___whats this all about? Does this matter after being saved?
How can it be??!!
"He that hath my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." John 14:21 (KJV)
"through" not "threw" For future reference, two examples; "he "threw" the ball" and, "he went "through" the wall!!"
You didn't answer my question?? Instead, you sent me off
in a different direction. A great tactic for someone trying, their
best to avoid answering a difficult question!! My compliments!
Dear GM:
I am only telling you what Jesus told us to do. If you condemn my tactic then you are condemning our Lord's tactics, my friend.
John 5:39 - "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
Besides, this discussion is on free will. Not your question. If you are interested in starting another topic, please start another thread and I will consider answering it there.
Anyways, please be well.
And may the Lord bless you this fine day.
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The sky is always up, it is never down!!
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September 19th, 2012, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason0047
Dear GM:
I am only telling you what Jesus told us to do. If you condemn my tactic then you are condemning our Lord's tactics, my friend.
John 5:39 - "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
Besides, this discussion is on free will. Not your question. If you are interested in starting another topic, please start another thread and I will consider answering it there.
Anyways, please be well.
And may the Lord bless you this fine day.
With loving kindness to you in Christ:
Sincerely,
~Jason.
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Another good tactic!! You just can't answer
the question, so you'll try anything to ignore a
question you cannot answer!!!!
Defending the position for a believer to sin while under grace and believing they will be saved while remaining in unrepentant (or unconfessed) sin is a doctrine of immorality.
When your premise is faulty the rest of what you post must be erased.
Repentance unto salvation is NOT to be repented of. In other words, we are all sinners up to the very moment we believe. When we believe, the righteousness of Christ is accounted to us.
Repentance is to change from unbelief to belief. That our sins are behind us from the moment we LOOK UPON Jesus Christ, is not because we have managed to stop sinning, but because we are new creatures IN CHRIST JESUS. The Blood is the antidote for sin.
Pray all you want, the answer has been put right in front of your face many times, but you still refuse to believe....preferring to lean on your own understanding instead. Jesus told us to look at the serpent in the wilderness for a reason. "Whosoever believeth (NOT whosoever stops sinning) should not perish, but have eternal life."
John 3:14-15
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
How can we turn from something that is within us...we were sinners? It is a poison that has affected our being. We must be cleansed by the blood, we must drink of the waters of LIFE. We don't have to suck the poison out in dribs and drabs, as you suggest.
Numbers 21:8
And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
I have never said that man does not have a will, I say it is BOUND and not free. Men can will anything they want to, what they do not have is the sovereign ability to DO what they have willed whether good or evil.
by God's grace I will or will not, if the Lord allows, if th Lord enables me, these are nearer the mark.
It is not in the willing but in the doing that man's will is bound and not free.
Esau was very willing to repent but was not able.
To choose is not freewill, the choice is to accomplish Another's will even God's will whichever option He lays before you whether to live or die, if you choose life and live it is God's will, if you chooses death and die it is God's will.
Man's greatest desire is to do evil and not die but to live forver, he has that will or desire but he will never accomplish that will. If you understood this you would understand the mystery of lawlessness for the lawlessness spoken here refers not to the law of Moses but the law of God "the soul that sinneth it shall surely die."
Again I say that thou hast already chosen, when thou wast in Eden thou didst choose and now thou art cast out of God's garden of abundance, cast away from God's Presence to become the servant of another even the devil.
You now have no more choice, if you are now saved it is because the Spirit of God came to you in the gospel and set you at liberty to choose again.
Therefore ALL the praise and ALL the glory is God's. For He might have chosen not to.
We most certainly can obey the conscience God gave us....the problem is we cannot obey it all the time. We live in a world of sin, out of fellowship with God. When the light of the Gospel shines on our sin, we can turn to the light and be saved.
Oh, and Esau's repentance did not come from godly sorrow, but the sorrow of the world. That is not the repentance unto salvation.
I'm surprised you don't see your own spiritual pride shining through when you "encourage" others (who have seen the truth) to do what you, yourself, need to be doing.
We most certainly can obey the conscience God gave us....the problem is we cannot obey it all the time. We live in a world of sin, out of fellowship with God. When the light of the Gospel shines on our sin, we can turn to the light and be saved.
Oh, and Esau's repentance did not come from godly sorrow, but the sorrow of the world. That is not the repentance unto salvation.
You will never throw down conditional salvation while maintaining freewill indeed YOU are in essence saying our salvation cam from th will of man and the will of the flesh, so salvation according to your argument dpends as much upon you as upon God. You therefore [when you think this trough] are co-redemptors with God. You must have your share of the credit.
The idea that salvation is conditional comes from the sandy soil that it is in some way dependent upon us. Therefore it is entirely natural to believe that we can lose it.
You will agree that the doctrine of conditional salvation is a doctrine of the devil to cast doubt and fear in the hearts of believers, but the greater devil is freewill.
God is so powerful that He can place any soul he likes in whatever time period and place He so chooses. God is able to see all souls since the beginning. However, God did not have to over ride Jacob's free will because He already knew Jacob would prove himself to be worthy.
What Biblical basis do you have that God sends people to Heaven and Hell against their will and not of their own choice?
Did God directly create evil?
Can God do evil?
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What a FUNNY outlook this is, God is able to foresee, of course He can but why oh why do you not see it is a question of who He has made? He made YOU and He made Hitler. You will say that Hitler was no more sinner than you were and you would be right.
So what differentiates?
It is the spirit God placed in each one of you that differentiates as between Cain and Abel, one is the seed of the woman the other is the seed of the evil one. Outwardly there is no distinction to be made according to the fleshly appearance but inwardly God knows the difference in YOU He sees son, yes, yes, even before you is saved. While you are yet dead in trespasses and sins Christ died for the ungodly [yet you say the decision to be saved was yours, don't you know that dead men decide stitch?] But in Hitler is a different spirit.
I saw an old photo of Hitler in the crowd whn the first war was declared, a young man with his face lit up with joy at the news.
This is the parable of the wheat and tares, now Calvin with his double predestiny says that God is responsible for both but the parable declares that it was an enemy which planted the tares...how CAN they be converted to wheat? that's why freewill evngelism grinds to a halt because the devil sends in his agents to strangle the work and weary the saints and because the church is asleep they can't distinguish between wheat and tares the tares anon bring disgrace upon the way.
You'd have spent all your time trying to convert the scribes and pharisees, they would have worn you down because you believe they might be saved with just a little more argument, longer hours in prayer, more good deeds and kindness shown to them.
But they are not the Lord's sheep, they will not hear His voice.
You will never throw down conditional salvation while maintaining freewill indeed YOU are in essence saying our salvation cam from th will of man and the will of the flesh, so salvation according to your argument dpends as much upon you as upon God. You therefore [when you think this trough] are co-redemptors with God. You must have your share of the credit.
The idea that salvation is conditional comes from the sandy soil that it is in some way dependent upon us. Therefore it is entirely natural to believe that we can lose it.
You will agree that the doctrine of conditional salvation is a doctrine of the devil to cast doubt and fear in the hearts of believers, but the greater devil is freewill.
Salvation comes to those who are fully PERSUADED by the Gospel. We are begotten by the Gospel. Being persuaded is not something we do, but we must choose the light...not preferring the darkness over the light. It's a choice to follow the light. If we are relying on ourselves to enter into the righteousness of God, we will never reach it. Believing includes trust in God, that He is able to do what He has promised.
God doesn't believe for us. He can only draw us to look upon our Saviour....who we can either reject or accept.
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