the second most active poster in this thread claims he will vote third party
No. I said who I wasn't voting for and I noted alternatives, including abstention on that particular vote.
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theoretically he doesn't have a horse in this race
That wouldn't be true either. You mean I don't care for the two front runners.
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again what he does suggests otherwise
Only to the irrational, so I can see how you think that.
Truth is I think it kills you that I'm not voting for the President this time around. I think you invested a lot of your venom in that earlier mistake of mine and now what can you do? Just hammer at that drum like a crazed monkey.
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oh Chrys are you now mimicking TH and parsing out everything I say?
I've never done anything of the sort.
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How small of you.
Well, in his defense, not everyone can be as big as you. Not without crashing the haberdashery industry. Hey, your call.
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Now, when did you say the soul enters the body?
For all we know the soul and the body run together from conception and separate with the failure of the latter. Speculation on that is useless.
But that speculation doesn't matter. You have your right to life. Look back across your being and tell me at what point can I separate you from that right...
As any answer on the point is an arbitrary assertion of valuation no point is objectively certain. And if no point is certain but the right is certain then the only way we can protect that right against an unlawful forfeiture is to protect it at every point.
Truth is I think it kills you that I'm not voting for the President this time around. I think you invested a lot of your venom in that earlier mistake of mine and now what can you do? Just hammer at that drum like a crazed monkey.
your mistake was to admit that you voted for obama
and
we would not know that today had I not pressed the issue
your mistake was to admit that you voted for obama
I did NOT vote for Obama because I did NOT vote.
"The Bible is very clear, Christians aren't supposed to be busybodies, nor are they supposed to strive with any man who hasn't harmed him (Or someone else, by implication.)" RandPaulfor2016, May 10, 2013
your mistake was to admit that you voted for obama
It's never a mistake to be honest. You need to understand that.
Your mistake was attempting to invest something negative in that honesty. Well, one mistake. The other was in making that the cornerstone of your approach...so now you're forced into the sad position of attempting to infer that oar is still in the water.
It must be extraordinarily frustrating.
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we would not know that today had I not pressed the issue
And by pressed you mean asked. Because that's how hard it was. I know, I made you ask twice, be specific, but you've blown my enjoying irking you a bit into a Holmesian odyssey.
It wasn't and you aren't.
Forget voting like a man. I'd settle for your acting like one.
It's never a mistake to be honest. You need to understand that.
I do understand that
but
what I don't understand is how someone can say that abortion should not be legal
and
then vote for someone who did not object to the killing of a baby born during a partial birth abortion procedure
It's never a mistake to be honest. You need to understand that.
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I do understand that
You say that, but then you aren't when you follow with:
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what I don't understand is how someone can say that abortion should not be legal
and
then vote for someone who did not object to the killing of a baby born during a partial birth abortion procedure
How did you vote for a candidate who supported abortion for any reason short of defense of the mother's life? They were both wrong, but since neither of them were going to decide or overturn on the issue I didn't vote the issue.
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is that being honest?
Sure.What you mean to suggest is inconsistency. And if I believed as you do it would have been inconsistent to vote for either candidate and hypocritical to try and get out from under that by calling my opposition baby killers.
That's dishonest and hypocritical and that's what you did and are.
Worse, you're about to do it again.
You also haven't answered the question that speaks to the fault of your "kill the Democratic Party" approach. Here it is again: is it harder to change the minds of people on an issue or a range of issues?
It means that the only legitimate taking of another life occurs in defense of your own.
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I did not vote for a candidate who supported abortion
You're a liar if you voted for McCain. You'll be a liar if you vote for Romney. They both believe and support abortion in more than defense of the mother's life.
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I did vote for a the republican party that passed a ban on partial birth abortion
A good thing, but the measure was supported by a number of Democrats as well. 218 Republicans and 63 Democrats, to be precise. Given you need 270 votes in that body to pass a bill it couldn't have been done without people you routinely call baby killers.
In the Senate it went 47 Republicans to 17 Democrats. Given the fewest number you'd need there would be 51 the Democrats again supplied the necessary votes to pass the measure.
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the same republican party gave us five supreme court justices that found it constitutional
It means that the only legitimate taking of another life occurs in defense of your own.
Wrong! This goes counter to Jesus' saying, "Greater love has no one than this, that He lay down his life for another."
The woman should lay down her life for the life of her unborn child. She may not snuff out the life of her unborn child to save herself.
I may give my life to save another, but I may not take a life to save my own.
However, this cannot be legislated.
"The Bible is very clear, Christians aren't supposed to be busybodies, nor are they supposed to strive with any man who hasn't harmed him (Or someone else, by implication.)" RandPaulfor2016, May 10, 2013
Wrong! This goes counter to Jesus' saying, "Greater love has no one than this, that He lay down his life for another."
You're mistaken on this point, Wile, or Christ would never have told his disciples to buy a sword. He did. There is no greater love than giving your life to save another. His note of that foreshadowed his sacrifice, but it's not a commandment. It's a recognition of virtue and the height of love, which he would shortly demonstrate to all of us.
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The woman should lay down her life for the life of her unborn child. She may not snuff out the life of her unborn child to save herself.
I disagree. Supra. A woman may legitimately defend her own life, tragic as the result is for all concerned.
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I may give my life to save another, but I may not take a life to save my own.
You may defend your life, including taking the life of another. Self defense is both a legal and morally recognized defense against a charge of murder. Fortunately, in this sort of case that would constitute an extraordinarily rare event.
You're mistaken on this point, Wile, or Christ would never have told his disciples to buy a sword. He did.
Where did Christ tell His disciples to buy a sword? He told Peter to put down the sword. You made this up.
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There is no greater love than giving your life to save another. His note of that foreshadowed his sacrifice, but it's not a commandment. So no, it isn't contrary to Christ's commandment, since that wasn't a commandment, only a recognition of virtue and the height of love, which he would shortly demonstrate to all of us.
It's not a direct commandment. But it is the ideal for the one who would be like Christ.
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I disagree. Supra. A woman may legitimately defend her own life, tragic as the result is for all concerned.
Legally yes. But it won't help her be right with God.
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You're misstating it. You may defend your life up unto and including taking the life of another. Fortunately, in this sort of case that would constitute an extraordinarily rare event.
Legally yes. But Christ said to turn the other cheek. I am not saying that I live up to this ideal. If I was living up to this ideal I would not have received an infraction.
"The Bible is very clear, Christians aren't supposed to be busybodies, nor are they supposed to strive with any man who hasn't harmed him (Or someone else, by implication.)" RandPaulfor2016, May 10, 2013
Hey, your call.
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