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Yeah, my heart goes out to those who need the Lord in righteousness. To know the goodness of God in one's life is so important. It is so comforting and so amazing. To describe that to someone is next to impossible. It is something a person has to experience for themself by faith.
I am also reminded of the verse in Amos for them, as well. A verse that I hope is a call of love for them to come to the Lord in truth and in Spirit.
Amos 5:14 - "Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken."
Yes! And let us not forget that in Amos we read of God establishing His "Plumbline" for measuring our life to His LIFE as He purposes it to be.
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Anyways, I hope you are enjoying the fall weather, my friend.
You have to apply what occurred as a result of His death.
Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Man no longer has an excuse. God made that 'former excuse', to be no more. In the old covenant, only Israel was used to show how God saved them prior to the testing in the wilderness. Today, God has saved all, and all are without excuse to not repent of their unbelief, but, as the times of old show, He does give each one a period of time. 40 years in the wilderness, or a generation, or so.
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October 4th, 2012, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason0047
Dear GM:
You can label me and others here as false all you like, dear sir, but most times no one here on the forums from a Free Grace or Sovereign Grace standpoint has actually given me an alternate explanation as to what the verses I color in red and bold truly means within my posts. Intead of explaining the verses I post in context, I am personally attacked, given evasive answers, and or given a set of verses that do not actuallly relate to the actual verses I post. When asked to post verses within the context of the chapter or within the book itself, I am given the run around or some smart remark or excuse.
In other words, the words I stress within various verses within my posts are never explained from the Free Grace position. They go unanswered as if it was some kind of truth that needed to be avoided or ignored.
The problem lies with you and your ilk Jason! You guys are so wrapped up in your 'false doctrine' that you're unable to 'digest'
the truth when you hear it!! You're too arrogant and self-righteous!!
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October 4th, 2012, 05:17 AM
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Ya know, GM, if one believes as we in Christ that believe that John Wesley had it right are wrong, no harm, no foul, nobody who believes as we do is in Hell for eternity.
On the other hand, if, IF, just by chance, however remote, those of you who believe Calvin had it right, by the slimmest margin, are wrong, there are those of the OSAS group that will remain in Hell forever.
You see, our doctrine is not a dangerous doctrine to anyone that believes.
Your doctrine is extremely dangerous to some.
You have NO discernment!! GM is, in no way, a Calvinist!! I abhor Calvin's teachings!!
The problem lies with you and your ilk Jason! You guys are so wrapped up in your 'false doctrine' that you're unable to 'digest'
the truth when you hear it!! You're too arrogant and self-righteous!!
Dear GM:
I consider any personal self righteousness to be appalling, dear sir. There is none good but God. So the only good that can be done is God working within my life. The glory then goes to God when something good is worked in my life and not to myself. How in is that glorying in myself when I am glorying God for the good alone? Please tell me how lifting up the Lord and His righteousness for all the good in my life according to His Word is arrogant or self righteous? Is it not better to do good with the Lord rather than evil? How can evil done in the Lord's name be considered good?
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October 4th, 2012, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason0047
Dear GM:
I consider any personal self righteousness to be appalling, dear sir. There is none good but God. So the only good that can be done is God working within my life. The glory then goes to God when something good is worked in my life and not to myself. How in is that glorying in myself when I am glorying God for the good alone? Please tell me how lifting up the Lord and His righteousness for all the good in my life according to His Word is arrogant or self righteous? Is it not better to do good with the Lord rather than evil? How can evil done in the Lord's name be considered good?
The problem is; you try and, pass off false doctrine as truth!! You then stick by your 'false teachings' and refuse to accept any alternate, "truthful" views! That makes you arrogant and unable to discern when others are making good points relating to Scripture!! Your heart is seemingly hardened against the true Gospel, and chooses to fall back on your particular denominational view or false interpretation!!
You have NO discernment!! GM is, in no way, a Calvinist!! I abhor Calvin's teachings!!
Dear GM:
Well if you abhor Calvinism, then you should abhor Free Grace or Once Saved Always Saved because that is exactly what John Calvin taught in Traditional Calvinism.
The problem is; you try and, pass off false doctrine as truth!! You then stick by your 'false teachings' and refuse to accept any alternate, "truthful" views! That makes you arrogant and unable to discern when others are making good points relating to Scripture!! Your heart is seemingly hardened against the true Gospel, and chooses to fall back on your particular denominational view or false interpretation!!
Dear GM:
If this was true, then clearly then the Free Grace proponents here on this forum would have been able to explain the verses I colored in red and bolded from the Free Grace perspective or standpoint. Instead, I have been given the run around with a series of repeated OSAS verses as if they somehow wipe out or annihilate other verses I have pointed out repeatedly in the New Testament.
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October 4th, 2012, 05:43 AM
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Dear GM:
Well if you abhor Calvinism, then you should abhor Free Grace or Once Saved Always Saved because that is exactly what John Calvin taught in Traditional Calvinism.
Calvin taught a 'warped' brand of OSAS! He taught that, believers are, chosen before the foundation of the world and that 'personal faith played no part in the Salvation process!! He believed; God 'chose' whom He would save and henceforth, all others were damned!! That's not, "true" OSAS!!
Calvin taught a 'warped' brand of OSAS! He taught that, believers are, chosen before the foundation of the world and that 'personal faith played no part in the Salvation process!! He believed; God 'chose' who He would save and henceforth, all others were damned!! That's not, "true" OSAS!!
What happen to "chosen" mans' freewill in the process, Gross? No dodge here!!
Calvin taught a 'warped' brand of OSAS! He taught that, believers are, chosen before the foundation of the world and that 'personal faith played no part in the Salvation process!! He believed; God 'chose' whom He would save and henceforth, all others were damned!! That's not, "true" OSAS!!
Dear GM:
It's reformed OSAS is what it is. Augustine originally created the OSAS doctrine and Calvin popularized it. Current day OSAS and modern Calvinism is from traditional Calvinism and the teachings of Saint Augustine. Just pick up a history book and you will see that this is where these teachings come from.
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October 4th, 2012, 05:50 AM
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What happen to "chosen" mans' freewill in the process, Gross? No dodge here!!
Believers aren't chosen before the foundation of the world, that's Calvinist misinterpretation!! God created ALL men with a 'freewill' to choose where they would put their faith!!
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October 4th, 2012, 05:51 AM
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Dear GM:
It's reformed OSAS is what it is. Augustine originally created the OSAS doctrine and Calvin popularized it. Current day OSAS and modern Calvinism is from traditional Calvinism and the teachings of Saint Augustine. Just pick up a history book and you will see that this is where these teachings come from.
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October 4th, 2012, 05:53 AM
Once a believer has been sealed/indwelt by the Holy Spirit and placed into the 'Body of Christ' they are positioned "In Christ" and cannot lose their standing before God!!!!
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