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November 30th, 2012, 07:17 AM

Boy are you weird.





Where is the evidence for a global flood?
Why do my eyes hurt?
You've never used them.

"...the waters under the "expanse" were under the crust."
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December 2nd, 2012, 10:35 AM

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Ever studied geology?
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Have you ever studied geology?





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December 7th, 2012, 02:05 PM

This is an excellent video:

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This is an excellent video
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December 19th, 2012, 06:36 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/found-whale-th...012037398.html

A 2 million year old whale. Now that is old.

The pygmy right whale, a mysterious and elusive creature that rarely comes to shore, is the last living relative of an ancient group of whales long believed to be extinct, a new study suggests.

The findings, published today (Dec. 18) in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B, may help to explain why the enigmatic marine mammals look so different from any other living whale.

The strange creature's arched, frownlike snout makes it look oddly different from other living whales. DNA analysis suggested pygmy right whales diverged from modern baleen whales such as the blue whale and the humpback whale between 17 million and 25 million years ago. However, the pygmy whales' snouts suggested they were more closely related to the family of whales that includes the bowhead whale. Yet there were no studies of fossils showing how the pygmy whale had evolved, Marx said. [In Photos: Tracking Humpback Whales]


Just like Astupid_one's walking whale. It didn't evolve, it was created. There won't be an evolutionary fossil trail.





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December 19th, 2012, 09:08 AM

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It didn't evolve, it was created. There won't be an evolutionary fossil trail.
Maybe we won't find the fossils, but what about all the fossils we have that clearly show the evolutionary trail of the whale family from land-dwelling creatures?

So you're saying that this pygmy right whale was created special, but it was all the other whales that evolved?



   
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http://news.yahoo.com/found-whale-th...012037398.html

A 2 million year old whale. Now that is old.

The pygmy right whale, a mysterious and elusive creature that rarely comes to shore, is the last living relative of an ancient group of whales long believed to be extinct, a new study suggests.

The findings, published today (Dec. 18) in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B, may help to explain why the enigmatic marine mammals look so different from any other living whale.

The strange creature's arched, frownlike snout makes it look oddly different from other living whales. DNA analysis suggested pygmy right whales diverged from modern baleen whales such as the blue whale and the humpback whale between 17 million and 25 million years ago. However, the pygmy whales' snouts suggested they were more closely related to the family of whales that includes the bowhead whale. Yet there were no studies of fossils showing how the pygmy whale had evolved, Marx said. [In Photos: Tracking Humpback Whales]
You may want to read your bolded quote again in context. There were no *studies* of fossils showing how they evolved. The rest of the story goes on to describe how the scientists conducted such a study.


To understand how the pygmy whale fit into the lineage of whales, Marx and his colleagues carefully analyzed the skull bones and other fossil fragments from pygmy right whales and several other ancient cetaceans.

The pygmy whale's skull most closely resembled that of an ancient family of whales called cetotheres that were thought to have gone extinct around 2 million years ago, the researchers found. Cetotheres emerged about 15 million years ago and once occupied oceans across the globe.



Even if there were few or no fossils, it's still clearly a baleen whale, the only question was WHICH other baleen whales is it related to? I'm betting you'd consider them all the same "kind" anyway.

There are plenty of species for which there is no fossil record at all. That doesn't disprove evolution, there's plenty of evidence in DNA. And for many taxa there's lots of nice transitional fossils.

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Just like Astupid_one's walking whale. It didn't evolve, it was created. There won't be an evolutionary fossil trail.
Except there are fossil trails for walking whales and even between baleen and toothed whales. Ooops, you didn't know they were related did you? You thought they were all separately created.

Here's a whale with legs and with a blowhole only halfway up the head.

Shown is a toothed baleen whale, Janjucetus


And here's Aetiocetus - a whale with both baleen and teeth.


Fig. 3. (From Démeré et al.) Upper jaw of the Aetiocetus weltoni. fossil. Left: Teeth. Right: Enlargement of section in the rectangle. Arrows show the depressions (sulci) and nutrient holes (foramina) that, in modern baleen whales, allow passage of nerves and arteries to baleen-forming epithelium.

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Family tree of whales.





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Maybe we won't find the fossils, but what about all the fossils we have that clearly show the evolutionary trail of the whale family from land-dwelling creatures?
Where? People keep saying it, but they don't show it. The only thing ever shown is the end result, never the transition.

[QUOTE=Alate_One;3300678]There were no *studies* of fossils showing how they evolved. The rest of the story goes on to describe how the scientists conducted such a study.






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Where? People keep saying it, but they don't show it. The only thing ever shown is the end result, never the transition.
Hello? Did you notice anything I posted above?

What do you think a transition is supposed to look like?

Lack of studies does not mean lack of fossils, get it?





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December 19th, 2012, 05:22 PM

You know the drill:
"Every transitional fossil you find makes two more missing links."

As the gaps get smaller and smaller, the creationists are running out of places to hide.





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