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Who Rules the World - God or Satan? 1 John 5:19 - December 2nd, 2012, 12:10 PM

Who is the Ruler of this world - God or Satan?

Who is in control of the world? Is it God or Satan? Jesus Christ said: "ALL power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Mattthew 28:18. The Lord's prayer in Matthew 6:13 ends with: "For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory for ever, Amen." This phrase is in brackets in the NASB and removed in the NIV, RSV and ESV. Jesus either said it or he didn't; they can't all be right. See "The Lord's Prayer - Is your Bible a Catholic bible?" for more information about this verse.

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In Ephesians 1:20-22 it is said of Christ that God "raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come; and hath put all things under his feet."

Daniel 4:17, 25, 26 tell us three times that "the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will." 2 Chronicles 20:6 affirms: "O LORD God of our fathers, art not thou God in heaven? and rulest not thou over all kingdoms of the heathen? and in thine hand is there not power and might, so that none is able to withstand thee?"

"For the kingdom is the LORD'S; and he is the governor among the nations." Psalm 22:28

"Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure. Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it." Isaiah 46:9-11

God is the sovereign ruler and controller of this world, as well as the entire universe. "The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein." Psalm 24:1 "for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof." Psalm 50:12. "He ruleth by his power forever." Psalm 66:7 There is only one King, and Satan is not the king, the controller, or the ruler of this world - at least according to the true Holy Bible - the King James Bible of 1611 - which is pure in all its precepts and true in all its doctrines. However such is not the case with a multitude of inferior bible versions on the market today.

Satan is a liar from the beginning. In Luke 4:6, when the devil tempted the Lord Jesus Christ in the wilderness, Satan told Jesus that all the kingdoms of the world were his and that he gave them to whomsoever he would. He lied. He is a liar and the father of it - John 8:44. Satan's statement directly contradicts Daniel 4:17 which says "the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever He will."

Adam Clarke makes these comments regarding the boastful statement of Satan: " Satan, it is true, has said that the kingdoms of the world and their glory are his, and that he gives them to whomsoever he will; Matthew 4:8,9. But has God ever said so? and are we to take this assertion of the boasting devil and father of lies for truth? Certainly not."

Coffman Commentaries on the Old and New Testaments - 2 Corinthians 4:4 - “"Satan is not a god properly, but is merely one in reference to those who have sinfully made him such." Many believe, as did Lipscomb, that the sin of Adam "transferred the allegiance and rule of the world from God to the devil"; but the conviction here is that all of Satan's authority is usurped, that only what God permits is he able to do; and as for the notion that Satan in any meaningful sense rules the world, Nebuchadnezzar had to eat grass for seven years in order to learn that "The most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will" (Daniel 4:25). This means that Satan's promise to give Christ the rulership of the world in return for falling down and worshiping the devil (Matthew 4:4) was an unqualified falsehood.”

Likewise John Wesley comments on Luke 4:6 where Satan tells the Lord Jesus that all the kingdoms of the world had been given to him - "I give it to whomsoever I will - Not so, Satan. It is God, not thou, that putteth down one, and setteth up another: although sometimes Satan, by God's permission, may occasion great revolutions in the world."

John Calvin remarks on this section of Scripture: "Here the daring insolence of the devil is manifested, in robbing God of the government of the world, and claiming it for himself. All these things, says he, are mine, and it is only through me that they are obtained.... A considerable portion of mankind disbelieve the power and authority of God over the world"

But the NIV, NAS, ESV, NKJV and the newer Catholic versions have bought Satan's lie and are passing it off onto God's children.

All Greek texts read the same in 1 John 5:19, so it is not a textual variation, but a simple matter of sound and consistent doctrine as opposed to a lie. The Greek texts read: "Οἴδαμεν ὅτι ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ ἐσμεν, καὶ ὁ κόσμος ὅλος ἐν τῷ πονηρῷ κεῖται."

In I John 5:19 the King James Bible along with the Tyndale 1525, the Bishops Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1599, Young's, -"and the whole world in the evil doth lie.", Lamsa's translation of the Peshitta, Webster's 1833 translation, the Douay-Rheims 1582 - "We know that we are of God and the whole world is seated in wickedness.", the KJV 21st Century version, Green's literal translation and Green's Modern KJV 2000, the Knox Bible of 2012 - "though the whole world about us lies in the power of evil.", and the Third Millenium Bible all say: "And we know that we are of God, and THE WHOLE WORLD LIETH IN WICKEDNESS."

Wycliffe's Bible says: " We witen, that we ben of God, and al the world is set in yuel." Or the modernized version would be: "We know that we be of God and all the world is set in evil."

Miles Coverdale's 1535 translation says: "We know that we are of God, and the whole world is set altogether in wickedness."

The Great Bible 1540 and Matthew's Bible 1549 both read like Wycliffe and Coverdale translations and reveal the same truth found in the King James Bible saying: "We knowe, that we are of God, and the worlde is all together set on wyckednes."

Foreign language Bibles that agree with the meaning found in the King James Bible are Luther's German Bible 1545 - "Wir wissen, daß wir von Gott sind; und die ganze Welt liegt im Argen." = "We know that we are of God; and the whole world is wrong.", the German Schlachter Bible of 2000 - "und dass die ganze Welt sich im Bösen befindet." = "and that the whole world is evil.", the French Martin 1744 and French Ostervald 1996 and the Louis Segond of 2007 - "et que le monde entier est plongé dans le mal." = "and that the world is plunged into evil.", the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras of 1569, the Spanish Reina Valera of 1858, 1909 and the Reina Valera Gómez Bible of 2010 - "Sabemos que somos de Dios, y el mundo entero yace en maldad." = "the whole world lies in wickedness", the Romanian Cornilescu Bible and Fidela Lasi 1871 - "şi că toată lumea zace în cel rău." = "and that whole world lieth in wickedness.", the Hungarian Karoli Bible - "és az egész világ a gonoszságban vesztegel." = "and the whole world lies in wickedness", and the Russian Synodal Version - "что мы от Бога и что весь мир лежит во зле." = "We are from God and the whole world lies in wickedness."

Many commentators who are usually sound in their doctrine become very confused in their thinking when they try to explain this passage, yet the meaning as it stands in the true Holy Bible is quite clear. We live in a fallen world; it lies in sin and wickedness, just as the text says. But God is still in control and ruling over all His creation. "He worketh all things after the counsel of his own will" Ephesians 1:11. Even though it may appear that wickedness is winning, the eye of faith sees his sovereignty and rejoices in this confidence.

However, believe it or not, many new versions pervert the truth of God's sovereign rule and would have us believe that Satan is the ruler of this world and is in control. In fact, they come right out and say it in these exact words.

The NIV says: "The whole world is UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE EVIL ONE."

Before you rush to your school boy Greek to defend this obvious lie, check out any of your own preferred bible versions and notice how they frequently translate nouns that have the definite article. See for instance Romans 12:9 in the NIV, NKJV, NASB, or the NASB in Matthew 5:37 and 6:13.

NASB " the whole world lies in the power of the evil one."

Today's English Version "the whole world is under the rule of the Evil One."

Contemporary English Versions - "the rest of the world is under the power of the devil. "

ESV (English Standard Version) "the whole world lies in the power of the evil one."

Living Bible 1981 "the world around us is under Satan's power and control."

ISV (International Standard Version) "the whole world lies under the control of the evil one."

The Catholic versions are in their usual disarray. The older Douay-Rheims of 1582 reads like the King James Bible - " "We know that we are of God and the whole world is seated in wickedness." But the St. Joseph New American bible 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible of 1985 teach the same lie found in the NIV, NASB, ESV saying: "and the whole world is in the power of the Evil One." However now the latest Catholic Public Domain Version of 2009 has gone back to the meaning found in the KJB, reading: "We know that we are of God, and that the entire world is established in wickedness."

The NKJV, and the Holman Christian Standard Bible try to strike a medium with : " the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one" but the NKJV as well as the RSV, NASB, Holman Standard and the ESV are also wrong when three times they refer to Satan as the "ruler of this world" in John 12:31; 14:30, and 16:11. Satan is NOT the ruler of this world! He is the spiritual "prince of this world", as the KJB 1611, Revised Version 1885, ASV 1901, Wycliffe 1395, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible (Cranmer) 1540, the Bishops's bible 1568, the Geneva bible 1560 - 1602, Wesley's translation 1755, Whiston's Primitive New Testament 1745, Worsley Version 1770, Noyes Translation 1869, Lamsa's translation of the Syriac 1936, Douay 1950, and even the NIV correctly say, but there are also other spiritual "princes" or beings working among the nations, and all of them are under the control of God and not Satan. Remember, the Lord Jesus Christ is set "far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come; and hath put all things under his feet." Ephesians 1:22.

Daniel chapter 10 reveals that there are spiritual "princes" of Persia and of Grecia, and the angel Michael is one of the chief princes of the nation of Israel. These are members of the spiritual principalities and powers in the heavenly places, Satan being the "prince of the power of the air" Ehpesians 2:2, but he is not, as the NKJV and the NASB teach, the RULER of this world.

I have asked people who use the NIV or any of these modern versions a simple question. Who is in control of this world, God or Satan? They almost always say: "Well, of course, God is in control." Then I show them what the NIV, NASB, and NKJV say in 1 John 5:19, or in John 12:31; 14:30 and 16:11. Usually they are a bit shocked and begin to doubt the reliability of these versions (as well they should). But unfortunately what I have most often found to be the case is that after a short while they then try to defend this obvious error by a series of silly explanations.

It is a very simple question. Does the King James Bible teach that Satan is the ruler of this world, and that the whole world is under the control of the Evil One? Answer: NO

Do the NKJV, NASB, NIV, ESV teach that Satan is the ruler of this world and that the whole world is under his control? Answer: YES.

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Satan is a liar from the beginning. In Luke 4:6, when the devil tempted the Lord Jesus Christ in the wilderness, Satan told Jesus that all the kingdoms of the world were his and that he gave them to whomsoever he would. He lied. He is a liar and the father of it - John 8:44. Satan's statement directly contradicts Daniel 4:17 which says "the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever He will."...

It is a very simple question. Does the King James Bible teach that Satan is the ruler of this world, and that the whole world is under the control of the Evil One? Answer: NO
Compare Luke 4:6 KJV with Revelation 13:2 KJV.



   
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Who is the Ruler of this world - God or Satan?

Who is in control of the world? Is it God or Satan? Jesus Christ said: "ALL power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Mattthew 28:18. The Lord's prayer in Matthew 6:13 ends with: "For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory for ever, Amen." This phrase is in brackets in the NASB and removed in the NIV, RSV and ESV. Jesus either said it or he didn't; they can't all be right. See "The Lord's Prayer - Is your Bible a Catholic bible?" for more information about this verse.

http://brandplucked.webs.com/matthew613.htm

In Ephesians 1:20-22 it is said of Christ that God "raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come; and hath put all things under his feet."

Daniel 4:17, 25, 26 tell us three times that "the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will." 2 Chronicles 20:6 affirms: "O LORD God of our fathers, art not thou God in heaven? and rulest not thou over all kingdoms of the heathen? and in thine hand is there not power and might, so that none is able to withstand thee?"

"For the kingdom is the LORD'S; and he is the governor among the nations." Psalm 22:28

"Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure. Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it." Isaiah 46:9-11

God is the sovereign ruler and controller of this world, as well as the entire universe. "The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein." Psalm 24:1 "for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof." Psalm 50:12. "He ruleth by his power forever." Psalm 66:7 There is only one King, and Satan is not the king, the controller, or the ruler of this world - at least according to the true Holy Bible - the King James Bible of 1611 - which is pure in all its precepts and true in all its doctrines. However such is not the case with a multitude of inferior bible versions on the market today.

Satan is a liar from the beginning. In Luke 4:6, when the devil tempted the Lord Jesus Christ in the wilderness, Satan told Jesus that all the kingdoms of the world were his and that he gave them to whomsoever he would. He lied. He is a liar and the father of it - John 8:44. Satan's statement directly contradicts Daniel 4:17 which says "the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever He will."

Adam Clarke makes these comments regarding the boastful statement of Satan: " Satan, it is true, has said that the kingdoms of the world and their glory are his, and that he gives them to whomsoever he will; Matthew 4:8,9. But has God ever said so? and are we to take this assertion of the boasting devil and father of lies for truth? Certainly not."

Coffman Commentaries on the Old and New Testaments - 2 Corinthians 4:4 - “"Satan is not a god properly, but is merely one in reference to those who have sinfully made him such." Many believe, as did Lipscomb, that the sin of Adam "transferred the allegiance and rule of the world from God to the devil"; but the conviction here is that all of Satan's authority is usurped, that only what God permits is he able to do; and as for the notion that Satan in any meaningful sense rules the world, Nebuchadnezzar had to eat grass for seven years in order to learn that "The most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will" (Daniel 4:25). This means that Satan's promise to give Christ the rulership of the world in return for falling down and worshiping the devil (Matthew 4:4) was an unqualified falsehood.”

Likewise John Wesley comments on Luke 4:6 where Satan tells the Lord Jesus that all the kingdoms of the world had been given to him - "I give it to whomsoever I will - Not so, Satan. It is God, not thou, that putteth down one, and setteth up another: although sometimes Satan, by God's permission, may occasion great revolutions in the world."

John Calvin remarks on this section of Scripture: "Here the daring insolence of the devil is manifested, in robbing God of the government of the world, and claiming it for himself. All these things, says he, are mine, and it is only through me that they are obtained.... A considerable portion of mankind disbelieve the power and authority of God over the world"

But the NIV, NAS, ESV, NKJV and the newer Catholic versions have bought Satan's lie and are passing it off onto God's children.

All Greek texts read the same in 1 John 5:19, so it is not a textual variation, but a simple matter of sound and consistent doctrine as opposed to a lie. The Greek texts read: "Οἴδαμεν ὅτι ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ ἐσμεν, καὶ ὁ κόσμος ὅλος ἐν τῷ πονηρῷ κεῖται."

In I John 5:19 the King James Bible along with the Tyndale 1525, the Bishops Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1599, Young's, -"and the whole world in the evil doth lie.", Lamsa's translation of the Peshitta, Webster's 1833 translation, the Douay-Rheims 1582 - "We know that we are of God and the whole world is seated in wickedness.", the KJV 21st Century version, Green's literal translation and Green's Modern KJV 2000, the Knox Bible of 2012 - "though the whole world about us lies in the power of evil.", and the Third Millenium Bible all say: "And we know that we are of God, and THE WHOLE WORLD LIETH IN WICKEDNESS."

Wycliffe's Bible says: " We witen, that we ben of God, and al the world is set in yuel." Or the modernized version would be: "We know that we be of God and all the world is set in evil."

Miles Coverdale's 1535 translation says: "We know that we are of God, and the whole world is set altogether in wickedness."

The Great Bible 1540 and Matthew's Bible 1549 both read like Wycliffe and Coverdale translations and reveal the same truth found in the King James Bible saying: "We knowe, that we are of God, and the worlde is all together set on wyckednes."

Foreign language Bibles that agree with the meaning found in the King James Bible are Luther's German Bible 1545 - "Wir wissen, daß wir von Gott sind; und die ganze Welt liegt im Argen." = "We know that we are of God; and the whole world is wrong.", the German Schlachter Bible of 2000 - "und dass die ganze Welt sich im Bösen befindet." = "and that the whole world is evil.", the French Martin 1744 and French Ostervald 1996 and the Louis Segond of 2007 - "et que le monde entier est plongé dans le mal." = "and that the world is plunged into evil.", the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras of 1569, the Spanish Reina Valera of 1858, 1909 and the Reina Valera Gómez Bible of 2010 - "Sabemos que somos de Dios, y el mundo entero yace en maldad." = "the whole world lies in wickedness", the Romanian Cornilescu Bible and Fidela Lasi 1871 - "şi că toată lumea zace în cel rău." = "and that whole world lieth in wickedness.", the Hungarian Karoli Bible - "és az egész világ a gonoszságban vesztegel." = "and the whole world lies in wickedness", and the Russian Synodal Version - "что мы от Бога и что весь мир лежит во зле." = "We are from God and the whole world lies in wickedness."

Many commentators who are usually sound in their doctrine become very confused in their thinking when they try to explain this passage, yet the meaning as it stands in the true Holy Bible is quite clear. We live in a fallen world; it lies in sin and wickedness, just as the text says. But God is still in control and ruling over all His creation. "He worketh all things after the counsel of his own will" Ephesians 1:11. Even though it may appear that wickedness is winning, the eye of faith sees his sovereignty and rejoices in this confidence.

However, believe it or not, many new versions pervert the truth of God's sovereign rule and would have us believe that Satan is the ruler of this world and is in control. In fact, they come right out and say it in these exact words.

The NIV says: "The whole world is UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE EVIL ONE."

Before you rush to your school boy Greek to defend this obvious lie, check out any of your own preferred bible versions and notice how they frequently translate nouns that have the definite article. See for instance Romans 12:9 in the NIV, NKJV, NASB, or the NASB in Matthew 5:37 and 6:13.

NASB " the whole world lies in the power of the evil one."

Today's English Version "the whole world is under the rule of the Evil One."

Contemporary English Versions - "the rest of the world is under the power of the devil. "

ESV (English Standard Version) "the whole world lies in the power of the evil one."

Living Bible 1981 "the world around us is under Satan's power and control."

ISV (International Standard Version) "the whole world lies under the control of the evil one."

The Catholic versions are in their usual disarray. The older Douay-Rheims of 1582 reads like the King James Bible - " "We know that we are of God and the whole world is seated in wickedness." But the St. Joseph New American bible 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible of 1985 teach the same lie found in the NIV, NASB, ESV saying: "and the whole world is in the power of the Evil One." However now the latest Catholic Public Domain Version of 2009 has gone back to the meaning found in the KJB, reading: "We know that we are of God, and that the entire world is established in wickedness."

The NKJV, and the Holman Christian Standard Bible try to strike a medium with : " the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one" but the NKJV as well as the RSV, NASB, Holman Standard and the ESV are also wrong when three times they refer to Satan as the "ruler of this world" in John 12:31; 14:30, and 16:11. Satan is NOT the ruler of this world! He is the spiritual "prince of this world", as the KJB 1611, Revised Version 1885, ASV 1901, Wycliffe 1395, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible (Cranmer) 1540, the Bishops's bible 1568, the Geneva bible 1560 - 1602, Wesley's translation 1755, Whiston's Primitive New Testament 1745, Worsley Version 1770, Noyes Translation 1869, Lamsa's translation of the Syriac 1936, Douay 1950, and even the NIV correctly say, but there are also other spiritual "princes" or beings working among the nations, and all of them are under the control of God and not Satan. Remember, the Lord Jesus Christ is set "far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come; and hath put all things under his feet." Ephesians 1:22.

Daniel chapter 10 reveals that there are spiritual "princes" of Persia and of Grecia, and the angel Michael is one of the chief princes of the nation of Israel. These are members of the spiritual principalities and powers in the heavenly places, Satan being the "prince of the power of the air" Ehpesians 2:2, but he is not, as the NKJV and the NASB teach, the RULER of this world.

I have asked people who use the NIV or any of these modern versions a simple question. Who is in control of this world, God or Satan? They almost always say: "Well, of course, God is in control." Then I show them what the NIV, NASB, and NKJV say in 1 John 5:19, or in John 12:31; 14:30 and 16:11. Usually they are a bit shocked and begin to doubt the reliability of these versions (as well they should). But unfortunately what I have most often found to be the case is that after a short while they then try to defend this obvious error by a series of silly explanations.

It is a very simple question. Does the King James Bible teach that Satan is the ruler of this world, and that the whole world is under the control of the Evil One? Answer: NO

Do the NKJV, NASB, NIV, ESV teach that Satan is the ruler of this world and that the whole world is under his control? Answer: YES.

The King James Bible is always right!

Will Kinney
Satan, the god of this world presently rules the systems of this world.

However, God rescued us from that through Jesus Christ.

When we submit to God, we are able to resist the devil to the end that he flees from us.

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Compare Luke 4:6 KJV with Revelation 13:2 KJV.
If the beast is a metaphor for oligarchy driven by avarice, that makes sense.





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Who is the Ruler of this world - God or Satan?
The King of kings. God.

You might be interested in reading this recent thread: Who is "the god of this world?"





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If the beast is a metaphor for oligarchy driven by avarice, that makes sense.
What do you make of Revelation 12:9 KJV, which describes the dragon as "Satan, which deceiveth the whole world".



   
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Answering the Objection - "the god of this world" - December 2nd, 2012, 06:37 PM

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Satan, the god of this world presently rules the systems of this world.

However, God rescued us from that through Jesus Christ.

When we submit to God, we are able to resist the devil to the end that he flees from us.

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Hi oatmeal. I have run into this objection about "the god of this world" before. Please allow me to address it.


Another Objection - 2 Corinthians 4:4 "the god of this world"

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 “But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost; In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, let the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”


In what sense is Satan “the god of this world”? Notice the small ‘g’ in god. Satan is not by any means equal to God nor is he the ruler of this world, much less the true God of the world since “The earth is the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof.” 1 Cor. 10:26



“for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.” Psalm 50:12


“The earth is the LORD’s, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.” Psalm 24:1


However, all false religions have the devil behind them, and the “god” that pagans, Mormons, Hindus, Muslims, New Agers and all other false religions of the world worship is in fact the devil.


There is only one true God but many false gods and the devil is the spiritual power behind them all. “For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” 1 Cor. 8:5-6


“But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.” 1 Cor. 10:20


“And they shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils, after whom they have gone a whoring. This shall be a statute for ever unto them throughout their generations.” Leviticus 17:7


“They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.” Deuteronomy 32:17


“For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.” Psalms 96:4-5


John Calvin on 2 Corinthians 4:4 “the god of this world” comments: “The devil, on the other hand, is called the god of this world, in no other way than as Baal is called the god of those that worship him, or as the dog is called the god of Egypt.


The Manicheans, as I have said, for maintaining their delusion, have recourse to other declarations of Scripture, as well as this, but there is no difficulty in refuting those also. They contend not so much respecting the term, as respecting the power. As the power of blinding is ascribed to Satan, and dominion over unbelievers, they conclude from this that he is, from his own resources, the author of all evil, so as not to be subject to God’s control — as if Scripture did not in various instances declare, that devils, no less than the angels of heaven, are servants of God, each of them severally in his own manner. For, as the latter dispense to us God’s benefits for our salvation, so the former execute his wrath. Hence good angels are called powers and principalities, (Ephesians 3:10,) but it is simply because they exercise the power given them by God.


For the same reason Satan is the prince of this world, not as if he conferred dominion upon himself, or obtained it by his own right, or, in fine, exercised it at his own pleasure. On the contrary, he has only so much as the Lord allows him. Hence Scripture does not merely make mention of the good spirit of God, and good angels, but he also speaks of evil spirits of God. An evil spirit from God came upon Saul. (1 Samuel 16:14.) Again, chastisements through means of evil angels. (Psalm 78:49.)


With respect to the passage before us, the blinding is a work common to God and to Satan, for it is in many instances ascribed to God; but the power is not alike, nor is the manner the same. I shall not speak at present as to the manner. Scripture, however, teaches that Satan blinds men not merely with God’s permission, but even by his command, that he may execute his vengeance. Thus Ahab was deceived by Satan, (1 Kings 22:21,) but could Satan have done this of himself? By no means; but having offered to God his services for inflicting injury, he was sent to be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. (1 Kings 22:22.)


Nay more, the reason why God is said to blind men is, that after having deprived us of the right exercise of the understanding, and the light of his Spirit, he delivers us over to the devil, to be hurried forward by him to a reprobate mind, (Romans 1:28,) gives him the power of deception, and by this means inflicts just vengeance upon us by the minister of his wrath.”


Adam Clarke on 2 Corinthians 4:4 “the god of this world” - “Satan, it is true, has said that the kingdoms of the world and their glory are his, and that he gives them to whomsoever he will; Matthew 4:8,9. But has God ever said so? and are we to take this assertion of the boasting devil and father of lies for truth? Certainly not. We are not willing to attribute the blinding of men's minds to God, because we sometimes forget that he is the God of justice, and may in judgment remove mercies from those that abuse them; but this is repeatedly attributed to him in the Bible, and the expression before us is quite a parallel to the following, Isaiah 6:9: Go and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. MAKE the HEART of this PEOPLE FAT, and MAKE their EARS HEAVY, and SHUT their EYES; LEST they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, Matthew 13:14,15; ; Mark 4:12; ; John 12:40; and particularly Romans 11:8-10: God HATH GIVEN THEM THE SPIRIT of SLUMBER, EYES that they SHOULD not SEE, and EARS that they SHOULD not HEAR; let their EYES be DARKENED, in the same circumstances of wilful rebellion and obstinate unbelief; and the great God of heaven and earth is he who judicially blinds their eyes; makes their hearts fat, i.e. stupid; gives them the spirit of slumber: and bows down their back, apostle means the true God by the words the god of this world.”


Coffman Commentaries on the Old and New Testaments - 2 Corinthians 4:4 - “"Satan is not a god properly, but is merely one in reference to those who have sinfully made him such." Many believe, as did Lipscomb, that the sin of Adam "transferred the allegiance and rule of the world from God to the devil"; but the conviction here is that all of Satan's authority is usurped, that only what God permits is he able to do; and as for the notion that Satan in any meaningful sense rules the world, Nebuchadnezzar had to eat grass for seven years in order to learn that "The most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will" (Daniel 4:25). This means that Satan's promise to give Christ the rulership of the world in return for falling down and worshiping the devil (Matthew 4:4) was an unqualified falsehood.”


Barnes Notes on the New Testament - 2 Corinthians 4:4 - “The name "god" is here given to him, not because he has any divine attributes, but because he actually has the homage of the men of this world as their god, as the being who is really worshipped, or who has the affections of their hearts in the same way as it is given to idols.”




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December 2nd, 2012, 06:47 PM

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It is a very simple question. Does the King James Bible teach that Satan is the ruler of this world, and that the whole world is under the control of the Evil One? Answer: NO
Luke 4:6 KJV correlates with Revelation 12:9 KJV and Revelation 13:2 KJV.

Revelation 12:9 KJV says that Satan "deceiveth the whole world", so he must have some power over it in order to deceive it; and Rev 13:2 says that the dragon gave the beast "his power, and his seat, and great authority", so he must have power and authority to give, as per Luke 4:6.



   
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December 3rd, 2012, 07:36 PM

Simply, "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one"!

So it is that the brethren of The Messiah, sons of Our Father and GOD are exhorted to "Love not the world!"!

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/blog.php?b=1408

And they are exhorted to:

"Come Out of her(babel/dis-order/babylon\world\religion), MY people!"

Sadly )-; religion was, and is yet needful for "disobedient and gainsaying(covetous) people" who would rather have a man than Our Father and GOD speak to and rule over them!

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/blog.php?b=1314

And as it was, SO IT IS that "Nothing will be restrained from them which they have "imag"ined to do!" (Gen 11:4-9)

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/blog.php?b=1388

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December 4th, 2012, 01:45 AM

God rules the world. Satan cannot do anything that God does not allow him to do.

"But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD" (Job 1:11-12).



   
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"The GOOD NEWS" Promise WAS Fulfilled and IS FOREVER! - December 4th, 2012, 09:03 AM

For "The Kingdom(of Our Father and GOD) in Heaven" DID "Come"!

"But if The GOOD NEWS is hid, it is hid from them that are lost. Those who believe not because the god of this world has blinded their minds, so that The Light of the Glorious GOOD NEWS, that The Messiah(He Who is the image of Our Father and GOD) bore witness of, would not enlighten them." (2Cor4:3-4)

Simply, "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one"!(1John5:19)

So it is that the brethren of The Messiah, sons of Our Father and GOD, are exhorted to "Love not the world"! (1John2:15-17)

And we are "in but NOT OF the world" indeed and Truth! (John15:18-19, 17:14-17) For we have our portion with The Messiah in The Family of Our Father and GOD, "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH(not in and of the world) is named"! (Eph3:15)

And NEW "Jerusalem which IS above IS free, and IS !NOW! the mother of us all(sons of Our Father and GOD)"! (Gal4:26)

So it is that we have realized(not just read) that our "citizenship(Life) IS !NOW! in Heaven", and we have chosen to remain but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth"....... (Phlp3:20, Heb11:13, 1Pet2:11)

And soon and very soon, we will be taken Home, Home at last!

Till then:

Father Help! and HE does.......

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/blog.php?b=1408

So it is that the brethren of The Messiah are exhorted to:

"Come Out of her(babel/dis-order/babylon\world\religion), MY people!"

Sadly )-; religion was, and is yet needful for "disobedient and gainsaying(covetous) people" who would rather have a man than Our Father and GOD speak to and rule over them!

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/blog.php?b=1314

And as it was, SO IT IS that "Nothing will be restrained from them which they have "imag"ined to do!" (Gen 11:4-9)

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/blog.php?b=1388

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December 5th, 2012, 01:47 PM

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Who is the Ruler of this world - God or Satan?

Who is in control of the world? Is it God or Satan? Jesus Christ said: ey
this is too long 4 me to read right now.. later (I copied it)

But the ruler of this world is satan

true, God, 2 some extent controls satan

but he doesn't control him completely because then He would have to take away our freedom to choose between good & evil

so satan rules because most ppl follow him and not Christ

Jesus said that FEW find the narrow way to Heaven

the Word of God says that satan is the ruler of the power of the air (not sure why its put that way)

and when tempted in the desert Satan said he had the power to give Jesus all the world had 2 offer... Jesus never argued w/ him that it was not his to give (not that that by itself proves my point... Jesus probably didnt see much pt in arguing with the devil)

anyway, all one has 2 do to prove satan rules the wolrd

is read a few history books

Henry VIII was possessed (my very informed opinion)

many others were also

Luther was... (i have read his own words so don't go there...)





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"Messias, which being interpreted is Annointed One"! - December 5th, 2012, 05:44 PM

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this is too long 4 me to read right now.. later (I copied it)

But the ruler of this world is satan

true, God, 2 some extent controls satan

but he doesn't control him completely because then He would have to take away our freedom to choose between good & evil

so satan rules because most ppl follow him and not Christ

Jesus said that FEW find the narrow way to Heaven

the Word of God says that satan is the ruler of the power of the air (not sure why its put that way)

and when tempted in the desert Satan said he had the power to give Jesus all the world had 2 offer... Jesus never argued w/ him that it was not his to give (not that that by itself proves my point... Jesus probably didnt see much pt in arguing with the devil)

anyway, all one has 2 do to prove satan rules the wolrd

is read a few history books

Henry VIII was possessed (my very informed opinion)

many others were also

Luther was... (i have read his own words so don't go there...)
All who are affiliated with a religion are possessed by a lying spirit!

You have proven such, and continue to do so )-;

And your 'jesus' is but the "imag"ined name pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters gave to one head of their "imag"ined three headed god(s) less than 600 years ago, some 1400 years after "Our Father and GOD raised The Messiah from among the dead"!

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/blog.php?b=1397

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/blog.php?b=1396

Father Help! and HE does.......

So while breath is, HOPE IS!

For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen.......

ALL Thanks and Praise Be Unto Our Father and GOD!



   
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