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MidActs Dispensationalism Acts 9 (or MidActs) Dispensationalism acknowledges the scriptural presentation of the dispensation of grace having begun with, not before, Paul; and its adherents accept the admonishment of Jesus Christ Himself that members of the Body of Christ follow Paul as he followed Christ.
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March 1st, 2013, 11:22 PM
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" Jesus himself preached grace"

Jesus never said the word grace
1. What is your definition of the word "grace"?

2. While Jesus Himself is not directly quoted in the gospels as using the word "grace", we still find this in the gospel of John:
John 1:14, 1:16
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth...And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
   
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March 2nd, 2013, 12:02 AM
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" Jesus himself preached grace"

Jesus never said the word grace
Have to allow for Luke 4:22, Jesus with "gracious words", which is not at all opposed to the mid-Acts view to my knowledge, or the way Bob views salvation I think, but it surely suggests Jesus spoke of grace. I don't know anyone who would deny grace is involved in salvation in any dispensation. If anyone is saved at all, grace is involved.




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March 2nd, 2013, 12:50 AM
So Paulos is teaching that Jesus taught grace and didn't teach grace at the same time you have to earn salvation. Got it.




Jesus saves completely. A9D-EL

Titus 1:10-11

For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped
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March 2nd, 2013, 12:51 AM
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Here are some other points of view:

The Church is both the body and the bride of Christ

Dispensationalism vs. HYPER-Dispensationalism

Errors of MAD



I don't know. I just found the link from doing a search.
Neg rep for link dropping. If you have a point to make, make it so it can be refuted. I am not going there, copy and paste their demon possessed perversions and then offer a rebuttal.




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Titus 1:10-11

For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped
   
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March 2nd, 2013, 10:54 AM
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can you show how your exegesis is correct
and that Mid Acts Disp exegesis is wrong ?
We had a good discussion not too long ago about the idea of "two gospels" being error. You can read it here: Rightly dividing the Word of Truth.




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March 2nd, 2013, 11:06 AM
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Jesus never said the word grace
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.




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March 2nd, 2013, 01:56 PM
[quote=Paulos;3373866]1. What is your definition of the word "grace"?
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Hi , and the word CHARIS /GRACE is translated 12 different ways , like .

Grace , Thanks , Trankful , Benefit , Trustworthly are just a few !!

There is a difference between GRACE and the DISPENSATION of GRACE as explained by Paul !!

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March 3rd, 2013, 03:46 AM
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Here are some other points of view:

The Church is both the body and the bride of Christ
I'd like for those who keep saying this to show the phrase "Bride of Christ" in the Bible. Then to show Paul using it, as well as anyone other than Paul using the phrase "Body of Christ."




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March 3rd, 2013, 03:51 AM
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John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
That is John, not the Lord. And he is speaking of the Lord, ex post facto.




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Titus 1:10-11

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March 3rd, 2013, 04:23 PM
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We had a good discussion not too long ago about the idea of "two gospels" being error. You can read it here: Rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
did it show your exegesis

and settle doctrinal debates like:

are believers under the law?
is baptism necessary ?
does salvation by faith require works ?
can believers lose their salvation ?
must believers keep the sabbath ?
is the rapture before the tribulation ?
is there a rapture ?

this exegesis works
circumcised= Jew under the law
uncircumcised= body of Christ
   
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