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MidActs Dispensationalism Acts 9 (or MidActs) Dispensationalism acknowledges the scriptural presentation of the dispensation of grace having begun with, not before, Paul; and its adherents accept the admonishment of Jesus Christ Himself that members of the Body of Christ follow Paul as he followed Christ.

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February 27th, 2013, 08:40 PM

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Did Noah live up to the glory of God, and not fall short? (Rom 3) You ask really stupid questions, and think they are trapping questions. You are quite hilarious at times.
The Bible teaches Noah "did, according to all that God commanded him . . ." (Genesis 6:22) having already found grace in the eyes of God (Genesis 6:8), and thus Noah and his immediate family were spared the global judgement of the flood.

Holy Scripture says regarding Noah, that he ". . .became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith." Hebrews 11:7

Are not all sinners, saved by faith through God's grace, part of the church (the spiritual body) of Jesus Christ? Would not Noah be saved according to his faith in the promises of the Christ, just like all the rest of the faithful church (spiritual body) Jesus Christ?

This is not a "trap" question . . . it is a legitimate theological question, based upon the gospel of righteousness that Noah himself preached.

Noah was not a Jewish Israelite, so he was not part of those national kingdom promises.

All the saints prior to Noah, Job, and Abraham preceded the "kingdom" promises made to the Jews, so all of these (as listed in Hebrews Chapter 11) must be considered members of the spiritual body of Christ), whose names are listed in the Lamb's Book of Life.

For there is no other biblical category for them . . .

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March 1st, 2013, 07:06 PM

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Hi to all , and here is a summary of where the Body of Christ began !!

In my opinion these next verses are Irrefutable , and Covenat Theology and Acts 2 , 11 , 13 and Acts 28 have no answer !!

Acts 9:3 , there shined a light from heaven !!

Acts 9:4 , Saul fell to the ground and heard a voice say , SAUL , SAUL , why persecuted thou Me ??

Then in verse 5 , Saul reponses , " who art thou Lord ?

The Lord answers , I am Jesus whom thou Persecuted ,it is hard to kick against the PRICKS /KENTEO , to offer Vain and Perilous Resistance ??

The Saul says , LORD , what wilt thou have me do ?

In 1 Cor 12:3 , it says , " that no man can say that Jesus is LORD , but by the Holy Spirit !!

This means that SAUL had the Holy Spirit as referenced in 1 Cor 12 :3 !!

Many say that SAUL was water Baptized in verse 17-18 !!

Verse 17 says that SAUL was filled with ( the ) Holy Spirit !!

Was this Water OR a filling with Holy Spirit ??

In verse 17 the Greek Article " THE " is not in the Greek Text and should read that SAUL " was filled with Holy Spirit , Power !!

If the Greek Article was used , Then SAUL would have been filled with the " Person of the Holy Spirit , so there is no Water Baptism here !!


#2 , Then in 1 Tim 1:15 and 16 , SAUL was the PROTOS/FIRST person saved by GRACE the PROTOS /FIRST one to be BAPTIZO/PLACED into the Body of Christ , 1 Cor 12:13 !!

Verse 16 , SAUL was the PROTOS/FIRST , a Pattern or the the Outline of those to be saved , to believe on Him to life everlasting !!


#3 , Next is a killer verse , 1 Cor 15:8 , that solves 2 problems !!

Last of all , He was seen of me also , as " one born out of DUE TIME !!

EKTROMA , is the Greek word , translated , " born out of due time ".

And it means a " miscarriage ".

The verse only says that Paul was born out of due time and that means the the 12 ARE OUT OF THE BODY OF CHRIST !!

This means that someone will be " born IN DUE TIME ".

This will be Israel , and Israel will be " born again " at the End of the Tribulation !!

This verse 8 , proves that the Body of Christ BEGAN with Saul in Acts 9:6 and also proves that the 12 are OUT of the Body of Christ !!

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There are also other verses in the KJV N.T. which confirm the point which you made in your last sentence.

As a matter of fact, after Jesus came physically and left, from among those mentioned in the KJV N.T. Paul was the only one to have communion with Jesus in His Spirit and also ask Jesus (in His Spirit) what was on His (Jesus) mind for him (Paul) to pray for, say and do.

This was in accordance with the Gift which God provided for those under the law. After Jesus' crucifixion and rise to heaven, God sent Jesus back in His Spirit. God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God. Up to the writing of the KJV N.T. Paul was the only one to pick up this offer of Jesus in His Spirit, from God.

And Paul was the only one to be led into all his works (thereafter) by precisely what Jesus had in mind for him to pray for, say and do as discerned from His (Jesus') Spirit through his (Paul's) own heart or spirit.

This made Paul the only one in Christ.

No one else was led in this manner, not even Peter.

Every one were told to look not at the things that are seen (i.e. like Jesus in a physical body). Such things are temporal. Instead look at things that are not seen (like Jesus in His Spirit). Such things are eternal.

This is a clear declaration to all to not look for Jesus in a physical body. This is a clear declaration to all, that the second coming of Jesus is not in a physical body.

Then it is confirmed that God sent Jesus back, in His Spirit, into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God. It is not a sure thing.

What foolishness it is to be looking forward for the return of Jesus in the flesh.

It was confirmed clearly and recorded in the KJV N.T.: Now (i.e. since some 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit of Jesus.

Jesus is Lord and He has long returned in His Spirit, to rule on earth. Only the chosen few discern Him (within their own hearts or spirits) and are led into all their works by Him.




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March 1st, 2013, 07:18 PM

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Paul was the only one to have communion with Jesus in His Spirit and ask Him (in His Spirit) what was on His (Jesus) mind for him (Paul) to pray for, say and do.

And Paul was the only one to be led into all his works (thereafter) by precisely what Jesus had in mind for him to pray for, say and do as discerned from His (Jesus') Spirit through his (Paul's) own heart or spirit.

This made Paul the only one in Christ.

No one else was led in this manner, not even Peter.
See John 14:17, John 14:26, and John 16:13-14.



   
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March 2nd, 2013, 08:26 AM

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See John 14:17, John 14:26, and John 16:13-14.
John: 14:17 says: Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

The verse confirms to those people that "they neither know the Spirit of Truth but they know the Spirit of Truth". The message is that, so far, they do not actually know the Spirit of Truth. However they know about the Spirit of Truth within their hearts or spirit.

This revelation is so absolutely correct. It conveys that although the Spirit of Truth dwells within all human hearts or spirit, most cannot discern this Spirit because it is not seen and most people cannot discern the 'not seen'. Therefore they cannot actually know this Spirit. However they can know about this Spirit.

To be saved and delivered one must not only know about this Spirit, one must have actual communion with this Spirit through one's own heart or spirit.

This verse is telling those followers that they do not actually know the Spirit of Truth, although this Spirit was within the physical body of Jesus when he dwell among them. That is, they knew the Spirit because they knew Jesus in his physical body. And the physical body of Jesus was a material manifestation of this Spirit. The Spirit of Truth was not the physical body of Jesus which they were easily able to detect. They must now know the Spirit of Truth in actuality.

The Spirit of Truth is not seen and now the lord is that Spirit. Therefore, now they must actually discern and know this Spirit which is not 'seen' or physical.

Fact is God regenerated this Spirit and sent it into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God.

Now they must have direct individual communion with this Spirit within their own heart, then they will actually know this Spirit.

The Spirit of Truth is not physically manifested and therefore not physically detectable. Most people are like Peter, who was unaware (i.e. not spiritually aware) and therefore looked only at things that are 'seen' and temporal, like Jesus in a physical body. They are not like Paul who was spiritually aware and looked at things that are not seen and eternal, like Jesus in His Spirit.

To make it one cannot be like Peter. One must be like Paul.




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March 2nd, 2013, 01:13 PM


Hi , and there are so many ways and verses that prove SAUL was saved in Acts 9:6 and that Paul is the main Apostles for these 2000 years !!

And you put your post on an important one here !!

" IN CHRIST " as PAUL IS THE only one that uses that PHRASE , " IN CHRIST " 31 times and " IN CHRIST JESUS , 47 times !!

The 12 , nor Peter write about this Phrase !!

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March 2nd, 2013, 05:55 PM

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" IN CHRIST " as PAUL IS THE only one that uses that PHRASE , " IN CHRIST " 31 times and " IN CHRIST JESUS , 47 times !!

The 12 , nor Peter write about this Phrase !!
1 John 4:13
By this we know that WE ABIDE IN HIM, and HE IN US, because He has given us of His Spirit.



   
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March 4th, 2013, 04:32 PM

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1 John 4:13
By this we know that WE ABIDE IN HIM, and HE IN US, because He has given us of His Spirit.

Hi , and 1 John was never written to the Body of Christ !!

1 John 4:13 , has 3 different verb tenses !!

#1 , We know /Ginosko , in the Preasent tense , Actice voice , Indicative Mood !!

#2 , WE dwell / Meno , also in the Present Tense Active Voice and indicative Mood !!

#3 , He has given / Didomi which is in the Perfect Tense , Active Voice and in the Indicatice Mood of Fact .

The Perfect Tense should tell all that since Israel has been set aside the the Perfect tense will CONTINUE its Results after the Body of Christ is gone , Rom 11:25 !!

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In 1 Cor 12:3 , it says , " that no man can say that Jesus is LORD , but by the Holy Spirit !!

Intriguing points, but on this one someone is bound to bring up Matthew 7:22-23. How would you reply?





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Intriguing points, but on this one someone is bound to bring up Matthew 7:22-23. How would you reply?
I know what I would say...

I'd say that was impossible, for the Lord DOES KNOW ME!

2 Timothy 2:19 KJV Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.





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What I mean is, I never thought about it until tonight...Paul said what he said but Christ on earth said what HE said, too - some who clearly don't have the Spirit WOULD call Him Lord, which is in opposition to what Paul wrote.

I know these are not contradictory but, on the face of it, it would be the first objection raised to Dan's point. I have not studied it out to have found the solution (and am too tired to do it tonight).





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Intriguing points, but on this one someone is bound to bring up Matthew 7:22-23. How would you reply?

Hi , and you have brought it up , have you not ?

#1 , Who was Matthew written to ??

#2 , If you say that it is to the Body of Christ , you are wrong and need to look at the context again !

#3 , Who has prophesied in His name at this point in time ?

#4 , Who is casting out demons today ?

This happening during the Great Tribulation and not until then < don't you see !!

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Hi , and you have brought it up , have you not ?

#1 , Who was Matthew written to ??
Jews.

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#2 , If you say that it is to the Body of Christ , you are wrong and need to look at the context again !

#3 , Who has prophesied in His name at this point in time ?
You mean up to THAT point in time? I presume John the Baptizer.

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#4 , Who is casting out demons today ?
ACTUALLY casting them out? I see no evidence that anyone is. CLAIMING to cast them out in His Name? That's another matter, as you know.

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This happening during the Great Tribulation and not until then < don't you see !!
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#1 , Who was Matthew written to ??
The church of course. Matthew was composed sometime in the 50s or 60s, well after the church had been established. It was written to and for her, as were the rest of the Gospels.





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The church of course. Matthew was composed sometime in the 50s or 60s, well after the church had been established. It was written to and for her, as were the rest of the Gospels.
To the church in the wilderness (Acts 7), the church (Matthew 16), or the church the Body of Christ?





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To the church in the wilderness (Acts 7), the church (Matthew 16), or the church the Body of Christ?
The church is the Bride (it is in this way that she is his Body) of Christ. We Christians are all the church; past, present, and future.





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