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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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March 1st, 2013, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
We who are Christians have no righteousness in this life. Our righteousness is in heaven at the right hand of God, Hebrews 7:26. Your righteousness is going to dissappear in a puff of smoke in the judgment when you stand before God, Matthew 7:21, 22, 23.
That's all very interesting. Your complete failure to offer any substantive disproof whatsoever of the content of Post #67 is noted. My statements, therefore, stand exactly as posted.
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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love others as u love yourself... and thank God you dont have to like them
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March 4th, 2013, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
The Christian cross does not have the mangled body of Christ on it like the Catholic cross does.
The reason that Christ is absent from the cross is because we (Christians) believe that he is in heaven at the right hand of God, mediating his righteousness on our behalf, Hebrews 7:26.
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the crucifixion reminds us humans (who, in case u haven't notice, tend to forget and become ungrateful) of what Jesus went through for us...
If you are not moved to love him by looking at one... there is something amiss
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Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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March 4th, 2013, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
That's all very interesting. Your complete failure to offer any substantive disproof whatsoever of the content of Post #67 is noted. My statements, therefore, stand exactly as posted.
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Paul makes it very clear that Christians have no righteousness that will save them, Romans 7.
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March 4th, 2013, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
Paul makes it very clear that Christians have no righteousness that will save them, Romans 7.
That's correct, we have no righteousness of our own, in and of ourselves. However, by God's grace we can indeed do acts of obedience (works) that please God and for which he promises us eternal life (Rom. 2:6-11). Also, see the OP.
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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March 5th, 2013, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
That's correct, we have no righteousness of our own, in and of ourselves. However, by God's grace we can indeed do acts of obedience (works) that please God and for which he promises us eternal life (Rom. 2:6-11). Also, see the OP.
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I will make it clear that when you use the word "grace" you mean the infused righteousness of Christ. The Bible knows nothing of an infused righteousness. Infused righteousness is another Catholic fable that is not scriptural. Show me one verse about an infused righteousness? If this doctrine were correct the Bible would be full of it. THERE IS NOTHING.
Because you are a sinner your works and obedience are worthless. God does not accept the works and the obedience of sinners. God only accepts the works and the obedience of Jesus Christ.
The only works that God accepts is works that are done out of a heart of thanksgiving and gratitude for what Christ has done in his work of redemption. These works will be judged by God.
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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March 5th, 2013, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
I will make it clear that when you use the word "grace" you mean the infused righteousness of Christ.
GRACE: The free and undeserved gift that God gives us to respond to our vocation to become his children. [Glossary of the CatechismoftheCatholicChurch]
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The Bible knows nothing of an infused righteousness.
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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March 5th, 2013, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
GRACE: The free and undeserved gift that God gives us to respond to our vocation to become his children. [Glossary of the CatechismoftheCatholicChurch]
You are under the misconception that the Holy Spirit makes one holy.
If anything the Holy Spirit will show you that you are indeed a sinner.
"And the commandment which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death," Romans 7:10.
Christians only have the first fruits of the Spirit, Romans 8:23. They have NOT been totally sanctified yet. They are waiting for the redemption of their bodies.
You seem to think that you are fit for heaven. Paul says that you need to be changed because you are still corrupt, 1 Corinthians 15:53.
So much of your doctrine is contrary to the Bible.
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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March 5th, 2013, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
You are under the misconception that the Holy Spirit makes one holy.If anything the Holy Spirit will show you that you are indeed a sinner.B]"And the commandment which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death," Romans 7:10.[/b]Christians only have the first fruits of the Spirit, Romans 8:23. They have NOT been totally sanctified yet. They are waiting for the redemption of their bodies.You seem to think that you are fit for heaven. Paul says that you need to be changed because you are still corrupt, 1 Corinthians 15:53.So much of your doctrine is contrary to the Bible.
Already answered (Post #85).
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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March 5th, 2013, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
Paul says that you are corrupt. He tells you several times that you are corrupt, 1 Corinthians 15:50, 51, 52, 53, 54.
Yes, in and of ourselves and apart from God's grace, we are utterly corrupt.
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
March 1st, 2013, 05:16 PM
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