Zakath agreed to give Enyart rights to Battle Royale VII
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It's true though, you wanna sour a discussion or shut somebody up, bring up the subject of the minister's payroll.
The vast majority of church members haven't the slightest idea what their clergy are paid, how they are otherwise compensated, or how the church income is actually spent; or the income from "ministries" to which they contribute.
Whatever one believes about the subject of Christians and money, I think it's poor stewardship for Christians to be so ignorant.
The vast majority of church members haven't the slightest idea what their clergy are paid, how they are otherwise compensated, or how the church income is actually spent; or the income from "ministries" to which they contribute.
Whatever one believes about the subject of Christians and money, I think it's poor stewardship for Christians to be so ignorant.
Most seem to think it's bad form to ask questions about these matters.
Theocrats are Social Darwinists.
Christianity has nothing applicable, appropriate, or worthwhile to offer the 21st century.
Seeing as how that Battle Royale is public information, being posted on a public web forum, the owner of the web forum is the only person who has any authority over whether or not it's sold. But I'm guessing Zakath has never asked Knight if he could sell copies as well. I wonder why that is.
Seeing as how that Battle Royale is public information, being posted on a public web forum, the owner of the web forum is the only person who has any authority over whether or not it's sold. But I'm guessing Zakath has never asked Knight if he could sell copies as well. I wonder why that is.
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May 6th, 2005, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse
Seeing as how that Battle Royale is public information, being posted on a public web forum, the owner of the web forum is the only person who has any authority over whether or not it's sold. But I'm guessing Zakath has never asked Knight if he could sell copies as well. I wonder why that is.
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Zakath: Memory or Character? -
May 9th, 2005, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Zakath
So tell us Bob, how much money have you made shamelessly selling my material without even having the grace to ask my permission first?
Zakath, probably not as much as I would have if you hadn't bailed out because you and your position were falling apart. It would have been more fun and informative if you would have had the courage to meet your commitment to complete Battle Royale VII.
As you recall, I made it clear before we began the debate that I would only do it if we would both agreed to give each other full copyright use of the debate so that either or both of us could distribute or publish it afterward. This was my one requirement, which was very important to me, because otherwise I waste time debating atheists and evolutionists only to have them wish the debate never happened and hope it disappears into oblivion. Knight (our TOL webmaster) confirms that you agreed to my requirement. Also, at the time I didn't know you other than that you were an atheist; and now I also know that you are a liar. Knight also tells me that he has specifically discussed this agreement with you since BR VII, and that it's not your memory that is defective, but your character.
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May 9th, 2005, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Zakath
Yup. It's worth asking [about Enyart's income from BRVII] everytime Enyart brings it up until he answers...
Financial accountability is traditionally an issue for folks in his line of work.
And then in hopes of making his baseless smear and accusation seem principled:
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Originally Posted by Zakath
The vast majority of church members haven't the slightest idea what their clergy are paid, how they are otherwise compensated, or how the church income is actually spent; or the income from "ministries" to which they contribute.
Whatever one believes about the subject of Christians and money, I think it's poor stewardship for Christians to be so ignorant.
For the 14 years that I've been on TV and/or radio, whenever a caller has asked on the air how much I make, I've answered clearly. When journalists have asked, I've given them full access to my books, and always offer my Tax Returns to journalists. (Details of our revenue breakdown, products, donations, etc., have been reported in print by in Denver.) Since I began pastoring Denver Bible Church, my family income has hovered around $55k to $65k, approximately half of that coming from pastoring the church and the other half from hosting and running Bob Enyart Live.
As for Zakath's smear about Christians in general regarding their pastor's salaries, virtually all churches are 501(C)3s and their books are available to the public through the IRS. Most churches that I have been involved with either have open business meetings, or systematically make their finances very readily available to anyone interested. Next time Zakath goes to an Atheist Group Therapy session, he should ask the counsellor his annual income. Or when he buys that "I LOVE Abortion" t-shirt, he should ask the vendor, and then the abortionist, what they make.
As for Zakath's claim specifically that: "The vast majority of church members haven't the slightest idea what their clergy are paid," 90% of churches have fewer than 100 members. And extrapolating from my 32 years experience in churches across America, I'd bet that "the vast majority" of the members of those churches know that their pastors are not making a killing in the job (unless you count methaporically slaying an occasional atheist). Zakath's indiscriminate smear that pastors in general are fleecing their flocks just provides cover, as in crying wolf, for the ones that are truly robbing their members.
The Bob Enyart Live talk show airs at KGOV.com. You can call weekdays at 5 pm E.T. at 1-800-8Enyart. And you can get BR VIIDoes God Exist?, and BR XThe Open Theism Debate in manuscript form!
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