Actually, it's the fruit of Prop 13, the property tax reform passed in the 1978, which prevented local governments from raising the revenues they need to operate, and probably Prop 8 of 1978, which allows the assessed value of a home to be lowered for a year for purposes of property taxes.
If you want government services, you have to give governments the ability to raise the funds to support them.
Wrong!, prop 13 is the only thing that allows a middle class person to afford a house, what a moronic statement. The people of California pay some of the highest taxes in the country Rex, not even mentioning the extorting of money through oppressive regulation. The fact that California cannot allocate their funds correctly, or cannot write union contracts that are even roughly in the realm of reality, or chooses to continue to support illegal immigrants with healthcare, education, social services/welfare state is not the peoples fault. Let us recap what Californians already pay in taxation alone:
The facts on California’s Tax Climate
10.3% individual income tax top rate
8.84% corporate income tax flat rate
7.25% sales tax *(this varies by city and county some are as much as 9.0% +)
$1,465 property tax collections per capita
California's Top Individual Income Tax Rate Is Second Highest in the Nation
With seven brackets and a top rate of 10.3 percent for those earning over $1,000,000, California's individual income tax has the second highest rate and one of the most highly progressive structures in the nation. In 2010, California's state-level individual income tax collections were $1,229 per person, which ranked 5th highest nationally. Since most small businesses are S Corporations, partnerships, or sole proprietorships, they pay their business taxes at the rates for individuals. That makes California's taxes on small businesses some of the most burdensome in the nation.
All this taxation yet you want more? You Libs are greedy and need to come back to earth on why California is in default : over-taxation, over-regulation, public sector unions that have raped the treasury, and all these have led to an exportation of companies and taxpayers/people...your running out of people and business' to tax...maybe it is time to quit spending maybe it is time to loosen the regulation stranglehold and become business friendly maybe it is time to re-negotiate public sector union contracts to line up with the rest of the working world Just a dose of reality for you...
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No, no, no! It's ALWAYS the fault of the evil liberals. Now repeat after me: it's ALWAYS the fault of the evil liberals, it's ALWAYS the fault of the evil liberals, it's ALWAYS the fault of the evil liberals, ....
At least you figured it out, some of us have known this for years.
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My replacement for recruiting duty had been with me for 3 months when he drove into the office and excitedly ran in to tell me he was fired upon!
Haha, I see where this is going !
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Seems he forgot that I had told him of an area that had special rules (for us) those being 1. Day light recruiting only 2. Never leave the blacktop roads unless escorted in. And 3. don't even think about messing with the girls.
This even goes for your family! I was maybe 8 or so and I walked into my uncles house unnannounced. He was shooting at me with a shotgun, he thought I was a robber lol. So I learned real quick to call or at least knock first, even with family.
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Well, he showed me the bullet hole in the passenger side of his recruiting mobile, then said "they tried to kill me" my reply was "No sir, if they wanted to kill you the shot would be on the drivers side, that was a friendly warning"!
Yea he was more lucky than he knows haha.
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He didn't last 6 months after I was transferred..but at least he departed alive so he did learn a little!
I'm glad he surivived. I was worried there for a minute.
Even if I'm in a peaceful suburb setting I still won't go on someone's property without being invited. It aggravates some people, they think I should come up and just walk right in. I'm like nooooo.
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Officers carry a weapon for their protection; it’s on likely an officer will be on scene during the crime to protect you.
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Wrong!, prop 13 is the only thing that allows a middle class person to afford a house, what a moronic statement.
Even if it's true that Prop 13 is the only thing that allows middle class folks to own homes, that doesn't mean that it isn't causing the problem.
I'm not opposed to limiting property taxes in some way. I'm sympathetic to the argument that people shouldn't be taxed out of their homes. But governments shouldn't be priced out of business either. The way we're doing it leads to municipal bankruptcies, Mello-Roos (which is even more regressive than property taxes), and inadequately funded public services.
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The people of California pay some of the highest taxes in the country Rex,
No doubt about that. But not high property taxes. And property taxes are one of the main ways that local governments fund themselves.
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All this taxation yet you want more?
Well, we're not paying the bills with the revenue we're collecting. Solve that with cuts, or solve it with taxes, but we should solve it somehow, and the problem with cuts is that we'd have to figure out where the cuts can come from. That's not easy, as much as ragging on public unions and the like is appealing to some.
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Even if it's true that Prop 13 is the only thing that allows middle class folks to own homes, that doesn't mean that it isn't causing the problem.
Well of course! that has to be the problem this is the only thing that the legislature has not been able to tax into oblivion in this state rex.
Seriously, the state needs to learn what a budget is and stick to it. No more handouts or healthcare (aside an emergency) to illegals would help, cut back section 8 housing to half, make living on sociasl services such a burden that working is a better alternative. Gotta make some tough choices but, breaking the backs of the citizenry is not the answer.
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I'm not opposed to limiting property taxes in some way. I'm sympathetic to the argument that people shouldn't be taxed out of their homes. But governments shouldn't be priced out of business either. The way we're doing it leads to municipal bankruptcies, Mello-Roos (which is even more regressive than property taxes), and inadequately funded public services..
It was bound to happen because govt's spend too much money rex. It is time to examine what are needs, and what are wants, I would say.
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No doubt about that. But not high property taxes. And property taxes are one of the main ways that local governments fund themselves..
Wrong our property taxes are roughly 1%/year of the price of the home when purchased, that is pretty close to what folks pay in Florida with no income tax & lower sales tax burden. 1% can be reasonable if you bought low but, for many that are underwater or near underwater on their homes that tax is too much. This is more about govt not knowing how to live within means than getting more to pay for their wants...
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Well, we're not paying the bills with the revenue we're collecting. Solve that with cuts, or solve it with taxes, but we should solve it somehow, and the problem with cuts is that we'd have to figure out where the cuts can come from. That's not easy, as much as ragging on public unions and the like is appealing to some.
The public unions bloated pensions are killing California and they need a reassessment of their own. I have said it before, I am union and what I will see in my pension pales to any public union, it is just plain gross... fleecing the taxpayers.
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There will never be more cops than criminals, what city could carry that financial burden?
Penman is telling the truth, it is not a cops job to protect a citizen since an officer has no way of knowing that a crime is about to be commited 99% of the time.
So be prepared to defend yourself until the police arrive.
Me too. When I lived in central CA, a police officer told me that he wished California was like Arizona in that matter. I've been told that Arizona requires anyone with a gun to help out when posses are needed.
I am a LEO in AZ and posses are kind of a thing of the past. We have the Sheriff's posse in Maricopa County, but they are utilized for special events and extra patrol at shopping malls for the Christmas season. Also they go through an abbreviated academy put on by the Sheriff's Department.
maybe it is time to loosen the regulation stranglehold and become business friendly 
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my reply was "No sir, if they wanted to kill you the shot would be on the drivers side, that was a friendly warning"!
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