Does the idea of the One God refer to Nature or Person?
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Keep demonizing me guys. I have in the last couple weeks received a recantaion of a very learned Presbyterian friend who used to accusse me of heresy on this and after much examination came to the conclusion that I was right.
Another one today recanted his accusation of me after examaination that my view is the Pre-nicene and Nicene view. The people who actually study the history of this issue admit I'm right. The ones who worship the Church's authority give me the Girolamo Aleandro treatment. Keep it up guys. You are treasuring unto yourself wrath.
Keep demonizing me guys. I have in the last couple weeks received a recantaion of a very learned Presbyterian friend who used to accusse me of heresy on this and after much examination came to the conclusion that I was right.
Another one today recanted his accusation of me after examaination that my view is the Pre-nicene and Nicene view. The people who actually study the history of this issue admit I'm right. The ones who worship the Church's authority give me the Girolamo Aleandro treatment. Keep it up guys. You are treasuring unto yourself wrath.
You are confused. No deletion noted. Get over yourself.
As shared in my earlier posts beginning Here & Here,....the 'idea' of the One God includes both 'nature' and 'personality' in essence and relational context,....since 'God' is related to as a 'personality' from the point of view of other personalities. Only in that relational-context is God recognized at least experientially as being a 'Person' of some kind, but even this concept of 'personality' is higher than any human, mortal, finite-concept of personality. The Urantia Papers share on 'personality' in a wonderful way, as far as what 'personality' is...and its unique and mysterious property and function within living souls.
Since 'God' is One.....this speaks of 'being' and 'nature' intrinsically, being Self-evident, the indivisible reality of Existence itself, which includes all apparent differences or differentiations of light, matter, energy, spirit, form in the cosmos...since all 'things' and 'forms' derive from God and are parts and parcels of that Infinite ONE (nothing exists independent of 'God').
One can toss in any form, idea, concept or assumption within the vast ocean of consciousness....and those are not seperate from the consciousness that conceives or perceives them, so before and beyond the form or concept, there is only consciousness. Only the mind is defining, dividing, differentiating anything from anything else...while behind all these mentations abides a pure indivisible awareness.
So the thread-title question is more rightly answered as 'Nature', and 'Person' is only a secondary perception or assumption based on a limited personal point of view, since human language suits 'God' as being a 'person' within its own concept of 'personhood'. However while 'God' can be conceptualized, Real God is also beyond conception. One cant even prove 'God' is a 'person', much less a Spirit of some kind, but the reality of Life, Existence, Being, Consciousness...is Self-evident. All there is...is this One Existence, whose source is ever-present as long as there is existence. It is one primal nature. Only if one 'personalizes' IT...does IT become a 'person', but the original nature of IT would seem to even precede any concept of personality', although as the source of all, it would be the pure potentiality of personality, a pre-personal reality which allows or assumes every possible mode of personality to exist and express itself.
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December 23rd, 2012, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RevTestament
This is the heart of the difference between Islam and Christianity brother. I think you hit the nail on the head. There are two types of leaders - those that lead with intimidation or force, and those who lead with love by example.
The message of Mohammed "PUH" was 23 yrs the 1st part, 13 yrs , in MAKKAH city was completely peaceful but he failed then God told him to immigrate to MEDINA city and told him to fight the people who fought him.
The message of Mohammed "PUH" was 23 yrs the 1st part, 13 yrs , in MAKKAH city was completely peaceful but he failed then God told him to immigrate to MEDINA city and told him to fight the people who fought him.
Satan, not God, told him this.
Islam has no excuse to reject the Deity, death, resurrection of Christ, core gospel truth.
To say Mohammed is greater than Jesus is a lie from hell.
Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)
They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")
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December 23rd, 2012, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by freelight
I dont see our relationship to 'God' as a 'master/slave' thing, for 'God' who is 'Love' would appear to be more of a kind compassionate Loving Father/Mother...rather than a dictactor, monarch or tyrant. We are subservient to 'God' in the sense that He is the Great ONE, the Infinite Itself, the great cosmic OverSoul, The Absolute, The All....while we appear like parts and parcels of 'God', his subordinate offspring. Even as a 'divine Personality', this 'God' would be the supreme apex or epitome of personality perfection, so would love and inspire us in the most perfect way
Yes, knowledge appears to be personal if we have any knowledge whatsoever of anything or anyone, in as much as a 'person' is 'knowing' anything or RELATING to anything. Naturally one living in harmony with 'God' would be 'thinking right' and 'doing right', since 'God' is the source and power of right being and right action. This would be living in 'righteousness' and 'peace', because there would be no ground for 'sin'.
I would gather that more than one view or conception of 'Allah' exists among sects within Islam, like such exists within other religious systems. I would venture to say that your concept of 'God' is subject to change, if you come upon convincing evidence to change your views or a religious experience that gives you a new view or understanding of 'God'.
At this point in my own journey,....my concept of 'God' could change at any moment, concerning his 'nature' or 'personality', but given the eternal/infinite/unchanging qualities of His character and will...these essentially remain stalwart and immutable. Other aspects of God or His creation appear subject to change, transformation and movement as all creation is God's play, the experiential realm of existence.
In any case, if 'God' is the Great Mystery of Being...then so be it, but if you're going to worship or commune with the Great Being....it must be 'personal' on some level, even if you approach it as an non-personal Presence or Power,....unless your communion with this Great One transcends personality and ego altogether
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Master/slave relation is a natural relation and nothing hinders it to be Kindful/faithful relation.
God gives love but God does not live in feeling with love God isnt a human.
Knowledge and relation with God grow with righteous work.
I love Jesus more, but I respect Muhammed more. We need the powerful son of Mary to establish the peace.
Muh is considered the final and greater prophet. Jesus was not mere prophet, teacher, but God Almighty in the flesh. This is what separates Christianity from every religion in the world, His Deity, death, resurrection, all denied by Islam.
Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)
They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")
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