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Post March 5th, 2013, 08:34 PM

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You have a different meaning for the word "grace."
Actually, you have a different meaning for the word "grace."



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Actually, you have a different meaning for the word "grace."



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Do you have a dictionary?

Grace: The act of showing favor.

Nothing about the infused righteousness of Christ, nor is there anything in the Bible about being infused with the righteousness of Christ.



   
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Do you have a dictionary?

Grace: The act of showing favor.
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GRACE: The free and undeserved gift that God gives us to respond to our vocation [i.e., calling] to become his adopted children.


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March 5th, 2013, 09:52 PM

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We who are Christians have no righteousness in this life. Our righteousness is in heaven at the right hand of God, Hebrews 7:26.
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Now you've really outdone yourself here Pate by ACTUALLY declaring yourself to be the high priest Jesus, holy, blameless, undefiled, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens.

WOW ...That's some powerful delusion you are under here in 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12.
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There is only ONE High Priest and that is Jesus Christ our saviour in Heaven
Hebrews 3:1

Sorry Pate but your post #68 is just another of your delusions!
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12.

God Bless (Matthew 5:44)
HIGHLIGHTING;Pates CENTRAL ERROR Hebrews 7:26.
How can you claim the righteousness of such a High Priest as Jesus Christ who is holy, blameless, undefiled, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens?

John 8:44

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Show me one verse about an infused righteousness? If this doctrine were correct the Bible would be full of it. THERE IS NOTHING.
To put another one of your delusions to bed; "Little children, let no one deceive you. Everyone who DOES what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous." 1 John 3:7

"He who DOES right” implies our cooperation." = Infused righteousness!

NOTHING? Surely Robert you are suffering yet another one of your DELUSIONS! 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12.

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March 6th, 2013, 07:48 AM

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HIGHLIGHTING;Pates CENTRAL ERROR Hebrews 7:26.
How can you claim the righteousness of such a High Priest as Jesus Christ who is holy, blameless, undefiled, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens?

John 8:44

To put another one of your delusions to bed; "Little children, let no one deceive you. Everyone who DOES what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous." 1 John 3:7

"He who DOES right” implies our cooperation." = Infused righteousness!

NOTHING? Surely Robert you are suffering yet another one of your DELUSIONS! 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12.

God Bless! (Matthew 5:44)
Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Doing the commandments of God is "our righteousness".

In Phillipians 3, Paul tells us about his personal righteousness. He talked about keeping the law, being a Hebrew of the Hebrews etc. Paul ended with this thought, after all of the talk about his personal righteousness, with this conclusion:

Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Paul did not want to be found in his own personal righteousness, which comes from keeping the law. That is not the righteousness that saves.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

We are not saved by good works, what Paul called "works of righteousness" which we do. All of that is "our righteousness" and it is not good enough, no matter how good we are:

Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,


Our righteousness is as a filthy rag. Paul called his personal righteousness "dung".

Prov 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

There is a way which seems right to a man. That was is attempting to be good enough to make it. All religions of the world share this one common trait, that their personal righteousness is the only card they have to play to make it to heaven. They think that if they try to be a "good person" and do more good than bad, then hopefully God will look favorably upon them and save them. Jesus called this the "broad road"

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

The way that seems right to a man is the same as the broad road. All of the worlds religions share this road as they head for destruction. That is because they fail to understand the offer of the gospel.

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

The world is ignorant of this righteousness of God. All of them are on the broad road, the way which seems right to them that says, "be good and God will let you in". They are all on the broad road to destruction. All of this is because they have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God.

The righteousness you need is not your own. Anything you do, even by the empowering of God, or by the wisdom of His Book, or the application of His principles of right and wrong, all of that is "your righteousness". All of your good works and works of righteousness go to "your righteousness". you are attempting to "establish your own righteousness (Rom 10:4) and you will never have enough.

You need God's righteousness, and there is only one way to get it, and that is by a free gift, what the bible calls "imputation".

Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;


The righteousness you need is not your own. Paul didn't want to be found in his righteousness, why would you want to be found in yours? All of your good works, all of your trying and effort are "your righteousness". What you need is God's righteousness. And you get it simply by trusting God and having His righteousness imputed to you as a gift, by faith without works.

It is not by "a way" or being good it is by THEY WAY, which is Jesus. We get IN HIM and have HIS righteousness given to us as a free gift. Jesus is the straight gate, the narrow way and the door, no man get's to the Father without Jesus' righteousness imputed to him as a free gift by faith






Your issue is one of AUTHORITY. All heresy starts and ends where a person sets themselves above God's Word and becomes their own authority. It is disguised as "textual criticism" and "scholarship". All of it ends where the first lie began "Hath God Said?"

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March 6th, 2013, 10:10 AM

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Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Doing the commandments of God is "our righteousness".

In Phillipians 3, Paul tells us about his personal righteousness. He talked about keeping the law, being a Hebrew of the Hebrews etc. Paul ended with this thought, after all of the talk about his personal righteousness, with this conclusion:

Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Paul did not want to be found in his own personal righteousness, which comes from keeping the law. That is not the righteousness that saves.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

We are not saved by good works, what Paul called "works of righteousness" which we do. All of that is "our righteousness" and it is not good enough, no matter how good we are:

Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,


Our righteousness is as a filthy rag. Paul called his personal righteousness "dung".

Prov 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

There is a way which seems right to a man. That was is attempting to be good enough to make it. All religions of the world share this one common trait, that their personal righteousness is the only card they have to play to make it to heaven. They think that if they try to be a "good person" and do more good than bad, then hopefully God will look favorably upon them and save them. Jesus called this the "broad road"

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

The way that seems right to a man is the same as the broad road. All of the worlds religions share this road as they head for destruction. That is because they fail to understand the offer of the gospel.

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

The world is ignorant of this righteousness of God. All of them are on the broad road, the way which seems right to them that says, "be good and God will let you in". They are all on the broad road to destruction. All of this is because they have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God.

The righteousness you need is not your own. Anything you do, even by the empowering of God, or by the wisdom of His Book, or the application of His principles of right and wrong, all of that is "your righteousness". All of your good works and works of righteousness go to "your righteousness". you are attempting to "establish your own righteousness (Rom 10:4) and you will never have enough.

You need God's righteousness, and there is only one way to get it, and that is by a free gift, what the bible calls "imputation".

Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;


The righteousness you need is not your own. Paul didn't want to be found in his righteousness, why would you want to be found in yours? All of your good works, all of your trying and effort are "your righteousness". What you need is God's righteousness. And you get is simply by trusting God and having His righteousness imputed to you as a gift, by faith without works.

It is not by a way or being good it is by THEY WAY, which is Jesus. We get IN HIM and have HIS righteousness given to us as a free gift. Jesus is the straight gate, the narrow way and the door, no man get's to the Father without Jesus' righteousness imputed to him as a free gift by faith


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If I was to refute Dona and others. I could not have said it any better.



   
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March 7th, 2013, 08:15 PM

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Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Doing the commandments of God is "our righteousness".
Firstly, we are not asked to "DO" but to "KEEP" The Commandments which are the things you must NOT DO in keeping the Commandments of God. It is by "keeping" His Commandments that we uphold the law (Romans 3:31) and by upholding the law we abide in His love (John 15:10).
Which Commandments of The Lord do you keep?
NB; Robert Pate does NOT keep any of The Commandments of The Lord, he has said so many many times here on this forum,yet he fully endorses EVERYTHING in your post? It is as though anyone else's dream will do for Pate when he is mindlessly parroting the false doctrine of man's 'faith alone (2 Thess 2:10-12) ... Furthermore, Robert Pate is a LIAR according to Scripture when he says there is NO need to do anything, i.e., obeying The Commandments of God.This is how Scripture answers the false teachers who peddle amongst other things their false doctrine of 'Do not obey His Commandments'...
"Whoever says, “I have come to know him,” but does not obey his commandments, is a LIAR, and in such a person the truth does not exist;" 1 John 2:4. In your friend Robert Pate the truth does not exist! lain:

Why are you taking Scripture out of context to attack Christ's true Church?
Perhaps the cause is in 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12. Here we have a very good example of God's powerful delusions at work.

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In Phillipians 3, Paul tells us about his personal righteousness. He talked about keeping the law, being a Hebrew of the Hebrews etc. Paul ended with this thought, after all of the talk about his personal righteousness, with this conclusion:
In Context; In Phillipians 3, Paul tells us about his personal JEWISH righteousness.He talked about keeping the MOSAIC law, being a Hebrew of the Hebrews etc.Paul ended with this thought, after all of the talk about his personal JEWISH righteousness, with this conclusion:

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Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Php 3:9 "and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the (MOSAIC) law, but one that comes through faith in Christ,the righteousness from God based on faith." NB; Scripture says... "...based on faith." NOT "based on faith (alone)." lain:

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Paul did not want to be found in his own personal righteousness, which comes from keeping the law. That is not the righteousness that saves.
Correction; Paul did not want to be found in his own personal JEWISH righteousness,which comes from keeping the MOSAIC law. That is not the righteousness that NOW saves.

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Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:5 "he saved us, not because of any works of (JEWISH) righteousness that we had done, but according to his mercy, through the water of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit."

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We are not saved by good works, what Paul called "works of righteousness" which we do. All of that is "our righteousness" and it is not good enough, no matter how good we are:
Correction; We are not saved by MOSAIC works, what Paul called "works of JEWISH righteousness" which we DONT do. All of that is "JEWISH righteousness" and it is not good enough, no matter how good THEY are:

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Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Isa 64:6 "We have all become like one who is unclean,and all our (JEWISH) righteous deeds are like a filthy cloth. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away."

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Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Php 3:8 "More than that, I regard everything as loss because of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things (JEWISH), and I regard them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ."

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Prov 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

There is a way which seems right to a man. That was is attempting to be good enough to make it. All religions of the world share this one common trait, that their personal righteousness is the only card they have to play to make it to heaven. They think that if they try to be a "good person" and do more good than bad, then hopefully God will look favorably upon them and save them. Jesus called this the "broad road"
Prov 14:12 "There is a way that seems right to a person, but its end is the way to death."

Conversely; There is a way which seems right to a man. That was is attempting to be BAD enough to make it. All HERETICS of the world share this one common trait, that THEY THINK their personal UNrighteousness is the only card they have to play to make it to heaven. They think that if they try to be a "BAD person" and do more BAD than GOOD, then hopefully God will look favourably upon them and save them. Jesus called this the "broad road"
....How ridiculous does that sound when turned against you for what you believe to be true!?

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Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
The way that seems right to a man is the same as the broad road. All of the worlds religions share this road as they head for destruction. That is because they fail to understand the offer of the gospel.
Matt 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road is easyd that leads to destruction, and there are many who take it."

Conversely;The way that seems right to a man is the same as the broad road. All of the worlds HERETICS share this road as they head for destruction.That is because they fail to understand the TRUTH of the GOSPELS. lain:

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Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
The world is ignorant of this righteousness of God. All of them are on the broad road, the way which seems right to them that says, "be good and God will let you in". They are all on the broad road to destruction. All of this is because they have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God.
Romans 10:3 "For, being ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God, and seeking to establish their own (JEWISH RIGHTEOUSNESS), they have not submitted to God’s righteousness."

The world's Heretic's ARE ignorant of this righteousness of God. All of them are on the broad road, the way which seems right to them that says, "be BAD and God will let you in". They are all on the broad road to destruction. All of this is because they have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God.
....How also ridiculous does that sound when turned against you for what you believe to be true!?

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The righteousness you need is not your own. Anything you do, even by the empowering of God, or by the wisdom of His Book, or the application of His principles of right and wrong, all of that is "your righteousness". All of your good works and works of righteousness go to "your righteousness". you are attempting to "establish your own righteousness (Rom 10:4) and you will never have enough.
The righteousness you need is not your own. Anything you do NOT DO even by the empowering of God (2 Thess 2:10-12),or by the wisdom of His Book, or the application of His principles of right and wrong, all of that is "your UNrighteousness". All of your BAD works and works of UNrighteousness go to "your UNrighteousness". you are attempting to "establish your own UNrighteousness (2 Thess 2:12) and you will never have THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.

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You need God's righteousness, and there is only one way to get it, and that is by a free gift, what the bible calls "imputation".
You need God's righteousness, and there is only one way to get it, and that is by a free gift, what the bible calls "RECKONED" and not imputation alone.

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Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
NB; The word *imputed* has been inserted erroneously into Scripture in each of the 3 Verses above,in order to promote the false doctrine 'faith alone' of man.
What Scripture does say;
Romans 4:22"Therefore his faith "was RECKONED to him as righteousness.”
Romans 4:23 "Now the words, “it was RECKONED to him,” were written not for his sake alone,"
Romans 4:24"but for ours also. It will be RECKONED to us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,"

What is the meaning of RECKONED?
v. reck·oned, reck·on·ing, reck·ons
To COUNT or COMPUTE: reckon
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/d...px?word=reckon

What is the meaning of COUNT?
v. count·ed, count·ing, counts
To name or list (the units of a group or collection) one by one in order to determine a total; number.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=count

So faith in all three verses of Scripture has to be reckoned (counted) along with something else to determine our righteousness before God. Scripture has all three verses implying infused righteousness, NOT imputed righteousness alone,for which nothing need be reckoned up to be counted .

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The righteousness you need is not your own. Paul didn't want to be found in his righteousness, why would you want to be found in yours? All of your good works, all of your trying and effort are "your righteousness". What you need is God's righteousness. And you get is simply by trusting God and having His righteousness imputed to you as a gift, by faith without works.
The righteousness you need JESUS CHRIST'S not our own UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. Paul didn't want to be found in his UNrighteousness, why would you want to be found in yours? All of your BAD works, all of your NOT trying and NO effort are "your UNrighteousness". What you need is God's righteousness. And HOW you get is simply by trusting in JESUS CHRIST AND HIS CHURCH, and ACCEPTING His righteousness given to you as a gift, THROUGH faith and His works. (James 2:24-26) NB; "....SO FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS ALSO DEAD."

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It is not by a way or being good it is by THEY WAY, which is Jesus. We get IN HIM and have HIS righteousness given to us as a free gift. Jesus is the straight gate, the narrow way and the door, no man get's to the Father without Jesus' righteousness imputed to him as a free gift by faith
It is not by way or being BAD it is by THE WAY, which is Jesus. We ARE IN CHRIST and have HIS righteousness ACCEPTED BY us as a free gift. Jesus is the straight gate, the narrow way and the door, no man get's to the Father without Jesus righteousness ACCEPTED BY him as a free gift THROUGH faith and works. James 2:24-26

Therefore none of what you are saying helps neither you nor Robert Pate when it comes to a proper understanding of what 1 John 3:37 is saying;"Little children, let no one deceive you. Everyone who DOES what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous."

1 John 2:29 "If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who DOES right has been born of him."

Yet another necessary cooperation taught in Scripture that everyone who "DOES RIGHT" as against everyone who DOES NOT DO RIGHT, for both you and Pate to think about in your present unrighteousness! (2 Thessalonians 2:12)

Try again? Only next time please try to DO RIGHT by quoting the RIGHT SCRIPTURE'S in your attempt to refute the infused righteousness as taught in 1 John 2:29,1 John 3:37,otherwise you will surely look ignorant in your understanding of Scripture...once AGAIN!


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You know, I could not have said that any better.

If I was to refute Dona and others. I could not have said it any better.
Once again Robert,your self-righteous arrogance is manifest for all to see! 'If I was to refute Dona and others.' - Pate ? What you are really attempting to refute is God's Holy Word NOT mine. Refute this Robert; Hebrews 7:26 Tells us that there is only One High Priest Jesus Christ who is holy,blameless,undefiled,separated from sinners,and exalted above the Heavens. Yet you say;
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We who are Christians have no righteousness in this life. Our righteousness is in heaven at the right hand of God, Hebrews 7:26.
Here you are claiming for yourself and others the very same righteousness of Jesus, whose righteousness is His alone,an indisputable fact as taught in Hebrews 7:26. Knowing this, are you even now still claiming to be The One High Priest Jesus Christ, who is holy,blameless,undefiled,separated from sinners,and exalted above the Heavens. Yes or No?

Pate like Job opens his mouth in empty talk,he multiplies words without knowledge.(Job 35:16)
Do you think this to be just? You say, ‘I am in the right before God (Job 35:2)
If you ask,‘What advantage have I? How am I better off than if I had sinned (9:29-31)?' (Job 35:3)
I will answer you and your friends with you. (Job 35:4)
Look at the heavens and see; observe the clouds, which are higher than you. (Job 35:5)
If you have sinned, what do you accomplish against him?
And if your transgressions are multiplied, what do you do to him? (Job 35:6)
If you are righteous,WHAT DO YOU GIVE TO HIM; or what does he receive from your hand? (Job 35:7)
Your wickedness affects others like you, and your righteousness, other human beings. (Job 35:8)

Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge ? (Job 38:2)

Since your co-conspirator friend Choleric has been found to be laying a false Scripture trail which is thoroughly refuted in #97,perhaps you could do better? Though we both know there's two chances of that happening, ZERO CHANCE and NO CHANCE!

Perhaps you would like to attempt to refute John for what he taught here in Scripture?
"Little children, let no one deceive you. Everyone who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous." 1 John 3:7. "...Everyone who DOES right..." implies our cooperation = Infused Righteousness.

"If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who DOES right has been born of him." 1 John 2:29. "...everyone who DOES right..." Again implying our cooperation = Infused Righteousness.

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Once again Robert,your self-righteous arrogance is manifest for all to see! 'If I was to refute Dona and others.' - Pate ? What you are really attempting to refute is God's Holy Word NOT mine. Refute this Robert; Hebrews 7:26 Tells us that there is only One High Priest Jesus Christ who is holy,blameless,undefiled,separated from sinners,and exalted above the Heavens. Yet you say;Here you are claiming for yourself and others the very same righteousness of Jesus, whose righteousness is His alone,an indisputable fact as taught in Hebrews 7:26. Knowing this, are you even now still claiming to be The One High Priest Jesus Christ, who is holy,blameless,undefiled,separated from sinners,and exalted above the Heavens. Yes or No?

Pate like Job opens his mouth in empty talk,he multiplies words without knowledge.(Job 35:16)
Do you think this to be just? You say, ‘I am in the right before God (Job 35:2)
If you ask,‘What advantage have I? How am I better off than if I had sinned (9:29-31)?' (Job 35:3)
I will answer you and your friends with you. (Job 35:4)
Look at the heavens and see; observe the clouds, which are higher than you. (Job 35:5)
If you have sinned, what do you accomplish against him?
And if your transgressions are multiplied, what do you do to him? (Job 35:6)
If you are righteous,WHAT DO YOU GIVE TO HIM; or what does he receive from your hand? (Job 35:7)
Your wickedness affects others like you, and your righteousness, other human beings. (Job 35:8)

Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge ? (Job 38:2)

Since your co-conspirator friend Choleric has been found to be laying a false Scripture trail which is thoroughly refuted in #97,perhaps you could do better? Though we both know there's two chances of that happening, ZERO CHANCE and NO CHANCE!

Perhaps you would like to attempt to refute John for what he taught here in Scripture?
"Little children, let no one deceive you. Everyone who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous." 1 John 3:7. "...Everyone who DOES right..." implies our cooperation = Infused Righteousness.

"If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who DOES right has been born of him." 1 John 2:29. "...everyone who DOES right..." Again implying our cooperation = Infused Righteousness.

God Bless (Matthew 5:44)

Dona, Dona, you poor lost soul.

You have embraced a religion that there is no mention of in the New Testament. No purgatory, No rosary, No holy water, No worship of Mary, No popes, No cathedrals, No wafers and grape juice, No prayers to saints, No priest, No burning of candles, No chanting, No infused righteousness.

Your religion originated in pagan Rome which is satans capitol.



   
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Dona, Dona, you poor lost soul.

You have embraced a religion that there is no mention of in the New Testament. No purgatory, No rosary, No holy water, No worship of Mary, No popes, No cathedrals, No wafers and grape juice, No prayers to saints, No priest, No burning of candles, No chanting, No infused righteousness.

Your religion originated in pagan Rome which is satans capitol.

Answered and thoroughly refuted in posts #97,#98. lain:

Robert,Robert, you poor deceived wretch 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12. The fact that you are totally incapable of answering the questions put to you in any of my posts I can only believe is due to the powerful delusion of God that you are suffering!

Let us see if you can answer some other simple questions truthfully?

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Answered and thoroughly refuted in posts #97,#98. lain:

Robert,Robert, you poor deceived wretch 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12. The fact that you are totally incapable of answering the questions put to you in any of my posts I can only believe is due to the powerful delusion of God that you are suffering!

Let us see if you can answer some other simple questions truthfully?

http://youtu.be/UHuUXbAWdPI


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All religions including the Catholic religion have been abolished.

The call now is to live by faith. Not religion, laws, rules, etc.

"But that no man is justified by the law (religion) in the sight of God, it is evident: for, THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH," Galatians 3:11.

While Jesus was dying on the cross the veil that covered the "Holy of Holies" was TORN BY GOD from the top to the bottom destroying the "Holy of Holies," Matthew 27:51.

The worship of God is no longer mediated through religion. We now have a high priest in heaven, Hebrews 7:26. Who is mediating his righteousness on our behalf.



   
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All religions including the Catholic religion have been abolished.

The call now is to live by faith. Not religion, laws, rules, etc.

"But that no man is justified by the law (religion) in the sight of God, it is evident: for, THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH," Galatians 3:11.

While Jesus was dying on the cross the veil that covered the "Holy of Holies" was TORN BY GOD from the top to the bottom destroying the "Holy of Holies," Matthew 27:51.

The worship of God is no longer mediated through religion. We now have a high priest in heaven, Hebrews 7:26. Who is mediating his righteousness on our behalf.
Gal 3:11 "Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law; for “The one who is righteous will live by faith." NB; ABSOLUTELY NOT BY FAITH ALONE!

No! No! No faith alone mentioned in Gal 3:11 there either! Do you understand that Robert?

http://youtu.be/N-TZ8Z5S9rI

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Matthew 27:51 Symbolises a new, unrestricted access to God not mediated by the temple and its sacred space (see Exod 26:31–35; Heb 6:19–20; 9:3; 10:20). The new mediation is through Jesus Christ and His Church. The Catholic Church is open to everyone who accepts our saviour Jesus Christ and His word.

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We who are Christians have no righteousness in this life. Our righteousness is in heaven at the right hand of God, Hebrews 7:26.
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Hebrews 7:26 Tells us that there is only One High Priest Jesus Christ who is holy,blameless,undefiled,separated from sinners,and exalted above the Heavens. Yet you say;Here you are claiming for yourself and others the very same righteousness of Jesus, whose righteousness is His alone,an indisputable fact as taught in Hebrews 7:26. Knowing this, are you even now still claiming to be The One High Priest Jesus Christ, who is holy,blameless,undefiled,separated from sinners,and exalted above the Heavens. Yes or No?
Pate will NOT ANSWER a simple yes or no? He believes that it is he Pate, who is holy,blameless,undefiled,separated from sinners,and exalted above the Heavens. (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12) Pate believes that he is meditating 'his' righteousness on our behalf. DELUDED POWERFULLY BY GOD IS POOR ROBERT PATE! THERE CAN BE ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT!

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Gal 3:11 "Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law; for “The one who is righteous will live by faith." NB; ABSOLUTELY NOT BY FAITH ALONE!

No! No! No faith alone mentioned in Gal 3:11 there either! Do you understand that Robert?

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Matthew 27:51 Symbolises a new, unrestricted access to God not mediated by the temple and its sacred space (see Exod 26:31–35; Heb 6:19–20; 9:3; 10:20). The new mediation is through Jesus Christ and His Church. The Catholic Church is open to everyone who accepts our saviour Jesus Christ and His word.





Pate will NOT ANSWER a simple yes or no? He believes that it is he Pate, who is holy,blameless,undefiled,separated from sinners,and exalted above the Heavens. (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12) Pate believes that he is meditating 'his' righteousness on our behalf. DELUDED POWERFULLY BY GOD IS POOR ROBERT PATE! THERE CAN BE ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT!

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The reason that Christians are justified by faith alone is because they are justified by Christ alone.

Sinners cannot justify themselves. You can eat wafers and drink grape juice until you choke, you are still a sinner.

You can pray the rosary all you want, you are still a sinner.

Chant, do your hail Mary's until the cows come home, you are still a sinner.

There is nothing that you can do to change the fact that you are a sinner. God does NOT accept the works and obedience of sinners.

Better find another way to be saved that does not include your sinful works.



   
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Firstly, we are not asked to "DO" but to "KEEP" The Commandments which are the things you must NOT DO in keeping the Commandments of God. It is by "keeping" His Commandments that we uphold the law (Romans 3:31) and by upholding the law we abide in His love (John 15:10).
And as I clearly showed you, obeying or keeping any of the commandments goes to "your righteousness" and it will not help you.

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NB; Robert Pate does NOT keep any of The Commandments of The Lord, he has said so many many times here on this forum,yet he fully endorses EVERYTHING in your post? It is as though anyone else's dream will do for Pate when he is mindlessly parroting the false doctrine of man's 'faith alone (2 Thess 2:10-12) ... Furthermore, Robert Pate is a LIAR according to Scripture when he says there is NO need to do anything, i.e., obeying The Commandments of God.This is how Scripture answers the false teachers who peddle amongst other things their false doctrine of 'Do not obey His Commandments'...
Robert and I are both intent on obeying God and not sinning. The difference between you and us is that we realize our righteousness is not going to save us. we are counting on God's righteousness to save us and that was imputed to us as a free gift. We do not keep the commandments of Moses in order to be saved or to earn God's favor, that is "dead works".

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That is a statement of fact. It is not saying you get to know him by obeying. You have the cart before the horse.

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Why are you taking Scripture out of context to attack Christ's true Church?
I have done nothing of the sort, which is why you have not attempted to prove such.
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Perhaps the cause is in 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12. Here we have a very good example of God's powerful delusions at work
Yes, you are indeed deluded, but we are still working on it

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In Context; In Phillipians 3, Paul tells us about his personal JEWISH righteousness.He talked about keeping the MOSAIC law, being a Hebrew of the Hebrews etc.Paul ended with this thought, after all of the talk about his personal JEWISH righteousness, with this conclusion:

Php 3:9 "and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the (MOSAIC) law, but one that comes through faith in Christ,the righteousness from God based on faith." NB; Scripture says... "...based on faith." NOT "based on faith (alone)." lain:
You are not understanding the point. You have righteousness, I have righteousness, every person on earth has a personal righteousness. When you do good, it improves your righteousness, when you sin, it subtracts from your personal righteousness. Then God has a righteousness that is perfect and includes the life Christ lived on earth.

When I do something good, it does not improve God's righteousness, rather it improves mine. Likewise, when I sin, it does not effect God's righteousness, it effects mine. Paul's point was that his doing good and keeping the law was his righteousness and it would not save. He needed Christ's righteousness given to him, a righteousness which is perfect.

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Correction; Paul did not want to be found in his own personal JEWISH righteousness,which comes from keeping the MOSAIC law. That is not the righteousness that NOW saves.
Jesus said the whole law is summed up in loving God and loving your neighbor. Are you saying you don't want to do that, or is that only Jewish? I don't think you have thought through your new argument.

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Tit 3:5 "he saved us, not because of any works of (JEWISH) righteousness that we had done, but according to his mercy, through the water of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit."
First of all, the word Jewish is not in there and all good works are good works whether or not you are Jewish. You are being ridiculous.
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Correction; We are not saved by MOSAIC works, what Paul called "works of JEWISH righteousness" which we DONT do. All of that is "JEWISH righteousness" and it is not good enough, no matter how good THEY are:
Paul did not say Jewish. it is usually a sign that you are wrong when you have to resort to changing the bible to make your theology fit.

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Isa 64:6 "We have all become like one who is unclean,and all our (JEWISH) righteous deeds are like a filthy cloth. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away."
You are making an empty argument. Are you saying that loving God is only for Jews? I am sure you are not, so you need to start over.

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Prov 14:12 "There is a way that seems right to a person, but its end is the way to death."

Conversely; There is a way which seems right to a man. That was is attempting to be BAD enough to make it. All HERETICS of the world share this one common trait, that THEY THINK their personal UNrighteousness is the only card they have to play to make it to heaven. They think that if they try to be a "BAD person" and do more BAD than GOOD, then hopefully God will look favourably upon them and save them. Jesus called this the "broad road"
I am not sure what point you are trying to make here as it has nothing to do with the verse I posted or the conclusion. No idiot thinks their sin is going to help them get to heaven.

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....How ridiculous does that sound when turned against you for what you believe to be true!?
It sounds completely ridiculous since I made no such claim.

Would you agree that all religions of the world are attempting to be good enough? Would you say that "being good enough" is a trait they all share and seems right to them? The answer is yes, if you know anything about the worlds religions.

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Romans 10:3 "For, being ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God, and seeking to establish their own (JEWISH RIGHTEOUSNESS), they have not submitted to God’s righteousness."

The world's Heretic's ARE ignorant of this righteousness of God. All of them are on the broad road, the way which seems right to them that says, "be BAD and God will let you in". They are all on the broad road to destruction. All of this is because they have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God.
....How also ridiculous does that sound when turned against you for what you believe to be true!?
No person said "be bad and God will let you in". That is nowhere in my post. Are you purposely attacking straw men or just really bad at making a point?

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The righteousness you need is not your own. Anything you do NOT DO even by the empowering of God (2 Thess 2:10-12),or by the wisdom of His Book, or the application of His principles of right and wrong, all of that is "your UNrighteousness". All of your BAD works and works of UNrighteousness go to "your UNrighteousness". you are attempting to "establish your own UNrighteousness (2 Thess 2:12) and you will never have THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.
Again, this is a ridiculous child like attempt at making a point that falls way short.

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You need God's righteousness, and there is only one way to get it, and that is by a free gift, what the bible calls "RECKONED" and not imputation alone.

NB; The word *imputed* has been inserted erroneously into Scripture in each of the 3 Verses above,in order to promote the false doctrine 'faith alone' of man.
What Scripture does say;
Romans 4:22"Therefore his faith "was RECKONED to him as righteousness.”
Romans 4:23 "Now the words, “it was RECKONED to him,” were written not for his sake alone,"
Romans 4:24"but for ours also. It will be RECKONED to us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,"

What is the meaning of RECKONED?
v. reck·oned, reck·on·ing, reck·ons
To COUNT or COMPUTE: reckon
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/d...px?word=reckon

What is the meaning of COUNT?
v. count·ed, count·ing, counts
To name or list (the units of a group or collection) one by one in order to determine a total; number.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=count

So faith in all three verses of Scripture has to be reckoned (counted) along with something else to determine our righteousness before God. Scripture has all three verses implying infused righteousness, NOT imputed righteousness alone,for which nothing need be reckoned up to be counted .
Reckoned is the same word as impute. The greek word is:

logizomai

imputed, 5
Rom_4:11, Rom_4:22-24 (3), Jam_2:23
counted, 4
Rom_2:26, Rom_4:3, Rom_4:5, Rom_9:8
reckoned, 4
Luk_22:37, Rom_4:4, Rom_4:9-10 (2)
accounted, 2
Rom_8:36, Gal_3:6
reckon, 2
Rom_6:11, Rom_8:18
suppose, 2
2Co_11:5, 1Pe_5:12
account, 1
1Co_4:1
accounting, 1
Heb_11:19
charge, 1
2Ti_4:16
impute, 1
Rom_4:8
imputeth, 1
Rom_4:6
imputing, 1

It is an accounting term. God counts something to our account the same way we reckon it to be true. Neither of them is a work. It is by faith. Reckoning is not a work any more than impute is. Now you know they are the same word. Reckon=impute=counted=charge=suppose. God says it I reckon it to be true. I don't make it true by my reckoning.
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Therefore none of what you are saying helps neither you nor Robert Pate when it comes to a proper understanding of what 1 John 3:37 is saying;"Little children, let no one deceive you. Everyone who DOES what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous."
Again, you post a verse that states a fact. this verse is not a "how-to" on salvation. It does not say "if you act righteous, God will treat you as righteous on judgment day."

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1 John 2:29 "If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who DOES right has been born of him."

Yet another necessary cooperation taught in Scripture that everyone who "DOES RIGHT" as against everyone who DOES NOT DO RIGHT, for both you and Pate to think about in your present unrighteousness! (2 Thessalonians 2:12)
You are reading your theology into the verse again. This is a "by their fruits you shall know them verse". It is stating that if a person is saved, they will bear fruit. It is not saying that doing right makes you born again. It says if you are already born again, you will do right.

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You are apparently a very new to bible study. You have learned in this post the word reckoned and impute are the exact same. You have also been shown how you have erroneously used verses to teach something they do not.

I also asked you earlier to tell me what if you would agree that all the worlds religions share in the attempt to be good enough to make it.

You have also not proven that your obedience is not "your righteousness". You cannot and therefore will not. You are kinda at a dead end. Either continue attempting to establish your own righteousness by the mass, or being good, or by confessing or the rosary or whatever means you can find to make yourself good enough; or you can cease from your works and accept the righteousness of God which He will impute/reckon/count to your account by faith without any works.

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