[Alate_One]

Originally Posted by voltaire

The point is that prior to the LIA, the average temperature was not much different than the average temperature of the last 150 years. That means that for 9,400 years of the holocene, the average temperature was not much different than the last 150 years, so the panic and alarmism is quite puzzling.

The problem with averaging the last 150 years is temperature during this time hasn't been stable, not even bouncing around a bit but going up almost relentlessly. Our most recent temperatures are a very strong departure from anything previously in the holocene. (+1 degree deviation)



Read more here.

You simply answered " a lot". Can you answer any of the above questions?

Did you watch/read any of the resources I linked? There's a ton of data.

How much lower should the global temperature be today than it is if carbon dioxide levels had stayed level since the LIA? Once I have the answer, why is that answer correct?

Look at the climate models without CO2 input. We had a cooling trend in the natural variation.

[missrustyb]

First of all i believe global warming is a sham. could the heat be from the chemicals that have been blasted out of the planes as they are here? i know we had a very unusual winter here if you can call it that...
one day it was hot the next cold and back and forth.
As long as we continue as a nation to pull away from God(YHVH) and become more and more like Sodom and Gamorah ,YHVH will do what ever it takes to see that no man is lost to Him. He does not waste a breath, movement, or word...therefore, as with Joseph's being sold into slavery seeming so wrong and even of his own doing by rubbing what YHVH was showing him in his brothers face and his father increasing the "flaunt" by giving him a coat of many colors to show his favoritism..., what is one to think.
it's not until we get to the rest of the story (YHVH's inside plan) that we begin to see His purpose and how He turned all the pain and sorrow into such great joy only to change to a Pharoh who knew not Joseph (like YHVH didn't plan it that way before the foundations of the earth.)
Yes, i believe everything is ordained by YHVH, even sin and death for how else could He show off His great glory, might, majesty and power?!
Our safety supervisor recently passed away and it's hit our school bus yard really hard, one because she knew us and there was a trust there...she was young and her passing makes no sence and yet i know YHVH has a purpose that is beyond our limited thinking. Does it fit into His plans for my boss that i've been praying for? Were we to comfortable or does He have a greater plan, like we all have a time and it's just her's? Hey, i'm not boohooing here so please don't take this there. I'm simply saying that we all have things in our world around us that don't make any sence yet YHVH IS in charge and command of all things and each and every breath we take is ordered by Him or with held. Again, i don't believe in global warming...i believe in one and only one Almighty YHVH and His one and only son Jesus (Yeshua). thanks for letting me share and i hope i haven't broken any rules, if i've stepped on your toes let me know and we'll talk about it... thanks again and good night.

[The Barbarian]

First of all i believe global warming is a sham.

I know people who believe the moon landing was faked, that bigfoot is loose in the woods, and that Obama was born in Kenya. Never underestimate the ability of people to believe weird things.

could the heat be from the chemicals that have been blasted out of the planes as they are here?

Oh, yeah, I forgot the "chemtrails" believers.

i know we had a very unusual winter here if you can call it that...one day it was hot the next cold and back and forth.

I live in Texas. Sounds like a normal winter to me.

As long as we continue as a nation to pull away from God(YHVH) and become more and more like Sodom and Gamorah ,YHVH will do what ever it takes to see that no man is lost to Him. He does not waste a breath, movement, or word...therefore, as with Joseph's being sold into slavery seeming so wrong and even of his own doing by rubbing what YHVH was showing him in his brothers face and his father increasing the "flaunt" by giving him a coat of many colors to show his favoritism..., what is one to think.
it's not until we get to the rest of the story (YHVH's inside plan) that we begin to see His purpose and how He turned all the pain and sorrow into such great joy only to change to a Pharoh who knew not Joseph (like YHVH didn't plan it that way before the foundations of the earth.)
Yes, i believe everything is ordained by YHVH, even sin and death for how else could He show off His great glory, might, majesty and power?!

So if we all wore drab coats, the warming will stop?

Our safety supervisor recently passed away and it's hit our school bus yard really hard, one because she knew us and there was a trust there...she was young and her passing makes no sence and yet i know YHVH has a purpose that is beyond our limited thinking.

I am sorry to hear that. Who knows what God has in mind for us? It is comforting to know that He is surely in control of all things as we need Him to be.

[voltaire]

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[voltaire]

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[The Barbarian]

Actually, most of God's judgements are the direct result of man's stupidity and greed. So our poor stewardship of the Earth ends up hurting us.

Some things never change.


And the actual data on global warming can be found here:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt

(Voltair suggests the scholarly sources at You Tube)

I find the data more convincing. Pretty animation, though. I just read that most people are now getting their news from You Tube. So now we've got millions of people learning that Bush and Bigfoot planned 9/11 and that Obama was born on Venus or whatever.

Great.

One thing to consider; the hardiness zones for planting have been steadily moving north for many years, and the blooming of plants at different latitudes are coming sooner and sooner each year.

Gardening Map Of Warming U.S. Has Plant Zones Moving North
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/201...s-moving-north

If it is assumed that growth and reproduction are controlled by temperature, a rapid advance of the tree line would be predicted. Indeed, some authors have provided photographic evidence and remotely sensed data that suggest this is, in fact, occurring. In regions inhabited by grazing animals, the advance of the tree line will be curtailed, although growth of trees below the tree line will of course increase substantially.
http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/content/90/4/537.full

Gol-durn liberal socialist petunias!