[God's Truth]

Originally Posted by Doormat

Jesus states whoever sins is a servant of sin. In contrast, you have been arguing that only people who sin like they haven't been saved are servants of sin. What you are arguing amounts to a license to be disobedient as long as you are trying, but that's not what Jesus or any of the Apostles taught.

We are to work out our salvation. Your beliefs make you a liar and a hypocrite. You know you have sinned even once since you have been saved. The Word of God does not cause us to deny the truth that we have sinned.

Originally Posted by Doormat

1 John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

You say a person will still stumble, the scripture states the opposite.

You do not know the scriptures.
We all stumble in many ways. If anyone is never at fault in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to keep his whole body in check. James 3:2

Originally Posted by Doormat

Jesus didn't teach you to sin or stumble. He showed you how to cease from sin and never stumble. If you were "practicing" Jesus' teachings, you would no longer sin or stumble.

John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

You should have no sin, but because you walk by sight instead of faith your sin remains.

We have to work out our salvation, see Philippians 2:12.

We have to TRAIN OURSELVES.

Luke 6:40 A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher.

1 Corinthians 9:25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.

1 Timothy 4:7, 8 Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Titus 2:4 Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children,

Hebrews 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

Hebrews 12:11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

Originally Posted by Doormat

You think you can train yourself, but you are mistaken.

You deny the Truth and go against the Truth.

[glorydaz]

Originally Posted by God's Truth

We are to work out our salvation. Your beliefs make you a liar and a hypocrite. You know you have sinned even once since you have been saved. The Word of God does not cause us to deny the truth that we have sinned.

You do not know the scriptures.
We all stumble in many ways. If anyone is never at fault in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to keep his whole body in check. James 3:2

We have to work out our salvation, see Philippians 2:12.

We have to TRAIN OURSELVES.

Luke 6:40 A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher.

1 Corinthians 9:25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.

1 Timothy 4:7, 8 Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Titus 2:4 Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children,

Hebrews 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

Hebrews 12:11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.


You deny the Truth and go against the Truth.

Why do you change all those verses to say "trained." I see exercise, admonish, instruct.... Even using "trained"....someone higher does the training, do they not? A loving parent trains his child. A teacher instructs his student. An adult admonishes a youngster. We have a heavenly Father who conforms us into the image of the Son.

Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

We are HIS workmanship...not our own.

[God's Truth]

Originally Posted by glorydaz

Why do you change all those verses to say "trained." I see exercise, admonish, instruct....

You are arguing about words, words that mean the same thing. The word 'train' is not only used in the NIV. You do not accept the NIV, and you are wrong.

Originally Posted by glorydaz

Even using "trained"....someone higher does the training, do they not?

Training is STILL DONE BY THE INDIVIDUAL TOO. When a person trains to run a race, THEY are the ones training, when a person is training themselves in subjects they are learning, they are the one who has to do the training too.

Originally Posted by glorydaz

A loving parent trains his child. A teacher instructs his student. An adult admonishes a youngster.

The child still HAS TO DO SOMETHING TOO, the student STILL HAS TO DO SOMETHING TOO, the youngster still HAS TO DO SOMETHING TOO.

Originally Posted by glorydaz

We have a heavenly Father who conforms us into the image of the Son.

Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

WE have to conform to the image of His Son!

Originally Posted by glorydaz

We are HIS workmanship...not our own.

We have a part in the relationship with Jesus! We have to obey the Word.

1 Peter 1:2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance.