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July 26th, 2012, 04:48 PM

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that deserves a comment.

Ana-baptist were not downed or burnt for the manner of baptism but Re baptizing those who were old enough to realize them selves as sinner and in need of repentance not infants who don't even remember anything. We call it believers baptism." Dunking" or immersion is a picture of the death burial and resurrection of Jesus. Sprinkling does not.

oh Baptist( in belief) are not Protestants and have a line separate from the Catholic church back to Paul
There is no statement in the scripture that says that dunking is a picture of the death and burial of Christ. The Baptists made this up.

Baptism was performed by sprinkling with a hyssop branch.



   
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July 26th, 2012, 04:52 PM

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You "looked" at it but you didn't read it, did you?

Here are the portions where Calvin describes the fallen angels:

"16. The devil is a degenerate creation of God
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17. The devil stands under God's power
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Thank you, this is very good and I agree with it totally.

I just add that some time after satan et al rebelled, some of the elect (who all were there) chose to rebel against GOD's decision to damn these fallen spirits and so became evil themselves so earth was created as the place where they could learn the ultimate disvalue of sin and be brought back to GOD in accord with the election promise and by means of the gospel promise.

Peace, Ted





Wheat are NOT reborn tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43
good seed are sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil and, as per
Matthew 15:13 …Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up!

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July 26th, 2012, 05:40 PM

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There is no statement in the scripture that says that dunking is a picture of the death and burial of Christ. The Baptists made this up.

Baptism was performed by sprinkling with a hyssop branch.
baptismo from bapto in Greek means to dip, immerse, as to dip into a dye

forget the method, what about baptizing unbelievers? What about killing people who accept Christ as an adult to be drowned for it?



   
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July 26th, 2012, 06:38 PM

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baptismo from bapto in Greek means to dip, immerse, as to dip into a dye

forget the method, what about baptizing unbelievers? What about killing people who accept Christ as an adult to be drowned for it?
Enough . . .

Discussion of anabaptists and methods of baptism are off-topic from my OP.

One of you start your own thread on the subject, if you are inclined to hash this out, but no more discussion of such on this thread.

If either of you persist, I will lock this thread.

Nang





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"Experience teaches us nothing; revelation teaches all we need to know."

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July 26th, 2012, 06:48 PM

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Thank you, this is very good and I agree with it totally.

I just add that some time after satan et al rebelled, some of the elect (who all were there) chose to rebel against GOD's decision to damn these fallen spirits and so became evil themselves so earth was created as the place where they could learn the ultimate disvalue of sin and be brought back to GOD in accord with the election promise and by means of the gospel promise.

Peace, Ted
One last time Ted, angels are spirits, who do not ever morph into men created by God from dirt.

You are attempting to convolute the spiritual creations of God (and purposed economies of such beings)as being the explanation of the source of ontological beings . . . which totally opposes the creation accounts in the bible and skews the divine purposes of the first Adam who is typological of the last Adam, Jesus Christ.

Which perverts the gospel as revealed in ALL the Holy Scripture.

Why?

Mess with the biblical accounts about the first Adam, and you mess with the God/Man spiritual achievements of Jesus Christ.

Not wise. Not wise at all, no matter the level of your human intelligence.

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"Experience teaches us nothing; revelation teaches all we need to know."

“ Those who proclaim that the sovereignty of God determines what justice is, (do so) by observing what God actually does. Whatever God does is just.”


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July 26th, 2012, 07:11 PM

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baptismo from bapto in Greek means to dip, immerse, as to dip into a dye

forget the method, what about baptizing unbelievers? What about killing people who accept Christ as an adult to be drowned for it?
We'll have to discuss it elsewhere.



   
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July 26th, 2012, 08:32 PM

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One last time Ted, angels are spirits, who do not ever morph into men created by God from dirt.

You are attempting to convolute the spiritual creations of God (and purposed economies of such beings)as being the explanation of the source of ontological beings . . . which totally opposes the creation accounts in the bible and skews the divine purposes of the first Adam who is typological of the last Adam, Jesus Christ.

Which perverts the gospel as revealed in ALL the Holy Scripture.

Why?

Mess with the biblical accounts about the first Adam, and you mess with the God/Man spiritual achievements of Jesus Christ.

Not wise. Not wise at all, no matter the level of your human intelligence.

Nang
follow this
who has sinned?
who are in this cosmos as sinners
who are called dead
who has a father the devil?
who are/ were sons of God
Who loves / are captive sin, darkness
who is going to hell, humans but it was prepared for the devil ad his angels.

Man and" fallen angels"

Jesus said "Ye are gods" (elohyim)

Angels fell, offered redeemption as mankind, some will return to heaven, some will continue as before creation to hell.

How can anyone honestly oppose this statement further?



   
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July 26th, 2012, 08:59 PM

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Jesus said "Ye are gods" (elohyim)
"Elohyim" is the plural descriptive of Triune God . . . not pertaining to men or angels at all.





"The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

"Experience teaches us nothing; revelation teaches all we need to know."

“ Those who proclaim that the sovereignty of God determines what justice is, (do so) by observing what God actually does. Whatever God does is just.”


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July 26th, 2012, 09:06 PM

Psalm 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God takes His stand in His own congregation; He judges in the midst of the rulers.

Psalm 82:2 How long will you judge unjustly And show partiality to the wicked? Selah.

Psalm 82:3 Vindicate the weak and fatherless; Do justice to the afflicted and destitute.

Psalm 82:4 Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.

Psalm 82:5 They do not know nor do they understand; They walk about in darkness; All the foundations of the earth are shaken.

Psalm 82:6 I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.

Psalm 82:7 "Nevertheless you will die like men And fall like any one of the princes."

Psalm 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth! For it is You who possesses all the nations.





Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,

Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
   
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July 26th, 2012, 09:17 PM

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In that it teaches there was a a creation, before the creation, as recorded in Genesis Chapters 1 and 2.

Nang
“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it? On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone — while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy? ” (Job 38:4-7).





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July 26th, 2012, 09:24 PM

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"Elohyim" is the plural descriptive of Triune God . . . not pertaining to men or angels at all.
no,GOD is elohyim but not all elohyim are GOD

in Job 1 the sons of God (elohyim) were called before God

in Job 38:7 the sons of God (elohyim) sang at creation
in Gen.

etc.

in Psalms 82 it actually says "amar elohyim ben eloyom"

"I said you are elohyim sons of the most high but you shall die as men(Adam) fall like on of the princes"

elohyim dies as men



   
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July 26th, 2012, 10:23 PM

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no,GOD is elohyim but not all elohyim are GOD

in Job 1 the sons of God (elohyim) were called before God

in Job 38:7 the sons of God (elohyim) sang at creation
in Gen.

etc.

in Psalms 82 it actually says "amar elohyim ben eloyom"

"I said you are elohyim sons of the most high but you shall die as men(Adam) fall like on of the princes"

elohyim dies as men

You are applying definition of Triune Creator God, to His creatures.

May God have mercy and protect all who read your lying posts, for they are diabolical.

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July 26th, 2012, 10:28 PM

This thread is now closed, for the warning against this false teaching called "PCE" has been sounded and the response from the false teachers clearly verifies their demonic errors and intentions.

Any further discussion of this false teaching simply gives audience to evil.

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"The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

"Experience teaches us nothing; revelation teaches all we need to know."

“ Those who proclaim that the sovereignty of God determines what justice is, (do so) by observing what God actually does. Whatever God does is just.”


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