[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Gurucam

Untellectual, You seem right. Believers are not judged any more.

Gurucam,

I am posting about believers being judged so that they would not be judged along with the world. I don't know how you are getting what you are getting out of what I have said or the Revelation passage you quoted. It doesn't make sense to me what you are saying. I feel you have lost the context of what I have said.

[meshak]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

This thread was not about your point. It is not deceitful to share with you what I have learned and am learning of God.

My point is the whole point of Bible and Jesus' word. You have been deceitful changing around the point I was making. You are very clever in you tactic and this is very mainstream. And you insist on saying you are not a mainstreamer.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by meshak

My point is the whole point of Bible and Jesus' word. You have been deceitful changing around the point I was making. You are very clever in you tactic and this is very mainstream. And you insist on saying you are not a mainstreamer.

You insist on saying I am mainstreamer. I have told you I am not. But you don't want company so you kick me out.

This thread is not about your point, so how could I be "changing around the point [you were] making"?

[Burning Bush]

Try this on for size......the soul stays trapped in whatever it did not overcome via the Spirit of Christ, while in the body, the spirit returns to the One that gave it, = a divorce/division.

The RE-union of the two, is the resurrection = a wedding/union. This is why the first recorded miracle was the changing of water into wine, at a WEDDING.

But before this can happen, the soul must die and be replaced by the soul/bride that cometh down from heaven. Therein, the "water" of the soul via "her" death, gets changed into the "wine" of the Spirit, ie. by taking on her husband's name/nature/covering, which comes down from above, as every good and perfect gift does.

NDE's that have a "bad" experience, are seeing the condition of their soul after having descended into their own stony heart (cave like), replete with what they gave "birth" to = He reproves us with our OWN wickedness.

The soul is like a woman's womb and a heart; it reproduces whatever seed is planted in it. Death is the harvest; either death to self, or literal death, both bring a harvest. See Matt. 13, parable of the wheat and the tares.

[meshak]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

You insist on saying I am mainstreamer.

And I am telling you you are with your deceptive doctrines and practice.

That's why I showed you how you are being worldly Christian.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by meshak

And I am telling you you are with your deceptive doctrines and practice.

That's why I showed you how you are being worldly Christian.

I don't understand. What sin do you believe I have committed and am not free of that would make me worldly as a Christian?

[meshak]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

I don't understand. What sin do you believe I have committed and am not free of that would make me worldly as a Christian?

For one thing you have been using the tactic of changing around the point we are talking about constantly. It is deceitful and not of God. It is worldly. You are too prideful to admit when you are wrong that's why you are switching around when I point out your holes.

You should read the bible instead of come to forum and trying to argue with everyone whom you dont agree, if you want to be godly.



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[Angel4Truth]

Originally Posted by meshak

You should read the bible instead of come to forum and trying to argue with everyone whom you dont agree, if you want to be godly.

[bybee]

Originally Posted by Angel4Truth

This goes beyond irony. It is pure, unadulterated gall!

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by meshak

For one thing you have been using the tactic of changing around the point we are talking about constantly. It is deceitful and not of God. It is worldly. You are too prideful to admit when you are wrong that's why you are switching around when I point out your holes.

You should read the bible instead of come to forum and trying to argue with everyone whom you dont agree, if you want to be godly.

This thread was not created to talk about whatever your point is. This isn't about arguing, this is about recognizing that we are at an impass.

[meshak]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

This thread was not created to talk about whatever your point is. This isn't about arguing, this is about recognizing that we are at an impass.

I showed you where it says about Christians will be judged first and you have been denying it.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by meshak

I showed you where it says about Christians will be judged first and you have been denying it.

Christians are judged first. But you think the judgment will not start until the end of time or judgment day (death and resurrection). I believe Peter is saying that now is the time for judgment to begin with the household of God. Remember, Israel was entrusted with the oracles of God. To what end? That they would be a light to the nations. If we judge ourselves we would not be judged. If we come to the light our deeds are exposed. We become more and more like Jesus as we leave our deeds of our life before coming to know Christ in the past. We can't just forget them. We have to deal with them by giving them to Christ and allowing Him to change us. And this happens more quickly with fellowship in the Spirit. That is why it is good to not separate yourself from the church, of which you are a member, of the body of Christ (be it that the Spirit of God dwells in you, otherwise you do not belong to Him (God)).