[NewDay]

Originally Posted by Trumpetfolker

Dear Lighthouse,
Since it is the Lord who bought us, each of us has a responsibility to listen to Him, for we share one Spirit with Him.


Each has the duty to know what His Lord wants from him. As opportunity to know the will of God is made available, one loses the ability to say, "I didn't know". He can not justify his disobedience by saying, " My pastor mislead me". Thus, one of the commandments is to remain free from the will of men.


These things are taught in the doctrine given by Jesus to Paul, and, through Paul, to Timothy and those Timothy was training. This process is called discipleship.


Once the commandment is known, obedience is expected.


Timothy was with Paul during Paul's first period of serving the Lord in Corinth. Timothy was with Paul when he wrote the second epistle to Corinth. Therefore, it is not reasonable to believe that the things written in the epistles to Corinth were unknown to Timothy.
The letters to Corinth are the only Pauline writing of which I have knowledge about which Paul says "These are the commandments of the Lord".

So, everyone who aspires to have spiritual influence must, first, acknowledge that the things Paul wrote are imperatives. Those who are content to follow directions ignorantly, let them do it.
The things written to Corinth can not be the commandments of the Lord without being words of the Lord Jesus Christ to which all who are being nurtured up in the words of the faith must consent.

Peter said that, to be an apostle, one had to eat a meal with Jesus after His resurrection. Paul received the Lord's Supper from Jesus, Himself. Paul delivered the Lord's Supper to the Corinthians before he wrote the first letter to Corinth..

The words of the Lord, as reported by Paul, include the command to take the Lord's Supper in remembrance of Him, are to be observed. Those trained by the words of the Lord Jesus Christ through Paul must withdraw from those who contend against those words.
The words of the Lord Jesus Christ are the only things Paul wrote to the Corinthians. He did not write as one who beats the air. He wrote with certainty.

When he chooses a particular anecdote, and says "The Lord said this...", it just gets more important.

Good post.

[SaulToPaul]

Originally Posted by NewDay

He already cleared up that the 'saving' is what produces the desire.

Originally Posted by Trumpetfolker

To be saved, you must desire spiritual gifts.

Read it again.

He did not say, "if you are saved, you will desire...."

[NewDay]

Originally Posted by SaulToPaul

Read it again.

He did not say, "if you are saved, you will desire...."

I know that particular sentence seems to say that, but the context of his posts, has already cleared it up...at least for me.

Did you read where he said, we cannot save ourself?

How do you fit that sentence in with what you are claiming he says? It would be a contradiction.

The way I read him in this sentence is that due to the fact that salvation brings a changed heart, the desire from that changed heart is what causes us to be shown as saved. A man cannot desire 'good' without God at work in him. The carnal mind is enmity towards God, and I have read enough of Trumpets posts to know that he knows that.

[Nick M]

Originally Posted by NewDay

He already cleared up that the 'saving' is what produces the desire.

NewDay? More like nothing new under the sun.

[NewDay]

Originally Posted by Nick M

NewDay? More like nothing new under the sun.

Howdy Nick...God works new things in me everyday, brother.

[Nick M]

Originally Posted by NewDay

Howdy Nick...God works new things in me everyday, brother.

Ecclesiastes 1:9

That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun.

Those in Christ are complete in him. You are either alive or dead, there is no inbetween, and no improvement.

[NewDay]

Originally Posted by Nick M

Ecclesiastes 1:9

That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun.

Those in Christ are complete in him. You are either alive or dead, there is no inbetween, and no improvement.

I know we are complete in the area of justification. That is not the topic I was discussing. God gives us increase, as we grow in love, which is what occurs, as we grow in grace and in knowledge of His will.

If increase is not needed for us, why does the bible speak of it?

1 Th 3:12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all [men], even as we [do] toward you:


1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Col 2:19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase [that is] from God.

I am wondering why you confuse being complete in Him/justication, with the ongoing 'increase' that comes from growing in grace and in the knowledge of God, via love being implanted in our hearts, by the gospel?

[Lighthouse]

Originally Posted by NewDay

I agree they do not prove anything to the world. That is not the point, and was never the point. Ask yourself this. What does the bible say that the point was with Abraham?

I won't argue with you, on my faith. You can believe it as you wish, brother.

The point with Abraham was to prove his loyalty to God, i.e. God wanted to know how faithful Abraham was and would be.