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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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May 5th, 2012, 10:31 PM
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Cruciform, if you really believe that such people are actually these people as they appear in their pictures from the very moment of conception, then what about all those supposed "persons" who never even made it to first base and were quite naturally flushed away/struck out?
Or indeed the person a raped woman might well have been able to produce were she allowed to do so, by the father of her own choosing.
You won't find any nice pictures of them anywhere.
Happily for me however I don't need to trouble myself with that kind of ghastly morbid thinking since it is clear that, to me anyway, people/persons can only become such with time and development at least during gestation and perhaps even beyond. And that they are not somehow divinely spontaneously created and therefore sacred, some only to be perhaps quickly, cruelly discarded and forgotten about (perhaps only by God) quite naturally.
If your God does exist and if a person exists right from conception then He Himself has set the example that abortion is not wrong 100% of the time.
Slogan/motto:
Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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May 6th, 2012, 06:56 PM
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Slogan/motto:
Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
Reputation:
May 8th, 2012, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by alwight
Cruciform, if you really believe that such people are actually these people as they appear in their pictures from the very moment of conception, then what about all those supposed "persons" who never even made it to first base and were quite naturally flushed away/struck out?
Do you have an actual point?
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Or indeed the person a raped woman might well have been able to produce were she allowed to do so, by the father of her own choosing.
Again, what is your point?
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You won't find any nice pictures of them anywhere.
Why not? No one is trying to deny their intrinsic personhood, or take their lives...
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If your God does exist and if a person exists right from conception then He Himself has set the example that abortion is not wrong 100% of the time.
Sorry, but God is not simply "man writ large," as you apparently falsely assume. Your transparent non sequitur, however, is noted.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
+T+
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Slogan/motto:
Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
Reputation:
May 21st, 2012, 05:16 PM
In any case, even setting the issue of personhood aside, the embryo is nevertheless a living human being*, and should---on that basis alone---be protected and nurtured as such.
Gaudium de veritate,
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*Each of these three terms is important and meaningful as applied to the unborn individual.
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; Ephesians 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. [NASB]
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