[Delmar]

Originally Posted by bigbang123

Every year your wealth creates a profit for you - you should only pay taxes on only that year's profit.

You have no idea if that is true. If for example, my wealth earned me a profit of 300,000 last year but I donated $500,000 to charity do you demand that I did not pay my fair share?

[bigbang123]

Originally Posted by drbrumley

"I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way: I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain,' but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote — who did not even leave the house on Election Day — am in no way responsible for what these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created." — George Carlin

That's good, that means you can do no harm to my candidate of choice on 11/6/2012

[drbrumley]

Originally Posted by bucksplasher

Expressing your preference for one of two imperfect men presented for your selection. tWINs

PS In the business world we call it hiring.

Hmmmm, we call it hiring huh? Let's test that theory for a few posts shall we. I hire you, in this case I vote for you. As a boss and owner of DRBrumley's, you HAVE to do as I say in how I want the job to be done. Otherwise your of no use to me. I want you to mop the floor going backwards. I leave and come back 5 minutes later I see you mopping and your not going backwards, your going forwards. Stepping on the mopped floor. This is after I had already told you how to do it. I say to you that is not how I said for you to do it. You tell me to buzz off, that you know what you are doing. I releave you and tell you just run the register. I show you how to count proper change back. Alittle frustrated, I leave to cool down a sec and get some of my owner responsibilties done. I come back about an hour later and watch you take money from my register and give it to someone who is in distress. He has a problem and doesn't have money to eat. So you give him a meal without paying and then give some extra to him because you feel passionate about helping this poor guy out but you didn't have a dollar to give at the time. So I come in and say you just stole from me. You reply that the guy was in need and you got to help a fella in need and you feel really good about it. I say again you stole from me. You reply, no you didn't, you were just borrowing from the money I was going to pay you on payday. Done arguing about it, I fire you on the spot. Oh but I can't fire you, because I get over ruled by force by those who like what you did and thought it was the compassionate thing to do on your part. So I plead my case to no avail. I can't vote you out cause others continue to vote you in. I have never signed any agreement or Constitution obligating me to keep an employee because the majority liked you.

And just as a side note, God lost the first election.

[drbrumley]

Originally Posted by bigbang123

That's good, that means you can do no harm to my candidate of choice on 11/6/2012

Yes, but He will harm you and your too stupid to realize it.

[bucksplasher]

Originally Posted by drbrumley

Hmmmm, we call it hiring huh? Let's test that theory for a few posts shall we. I hire you, in this case I vote for you. As a boss and owner of DRBrumley's, you HAVE to do as I say in how I want the job to be done. Otherwise your of no use to me. I want you to mop the floor going backwards. I leave and come back 5 minutes later I see you mopping and your not going backwards, your going forwards. Stepping on the mopped floor. This is after I had already told you how to do it. I say to you that is not how I said for you to do it. You tell me to buzz off, that you know what you are doing. I releave you and tell you just run the register. I show you how to count proper change back. Alittle frustrated, I leave to cool down a sec and get some of my owner responsibilties done. I come back about an hour later and watch you take money from my register and give it to someone who is in distress. He has a problem and doesn't have money to eat. So you give him a meal without paying and then give some extra to him because you feel passionate about helping this poor guy out but you didn't have a dollar to give at the time. So I come in and say you just stole from me. You reply that the guy was in need and you got to help a fella in need and you feel really good about it. I say again you stole from me. You reply, no you didn't, you were just borrowing from the money I was going to pay you on payday. Done arguing about it, I fire you on the spot. Oh but I can't fire you, because I get over ruled by force by those who like what you did and thought it was the compassionate thing to do on your part. So I plead my case to no avail. I can't vote you out cause others continue to vote you in. I have never signed any agreement or Constitution obligating me to keep an employee because the majority liked you.

And just as a side note, God lost the first election.

The company is a corporation not a single owner. This is a very big company...think GM. And you are on the "board of Directors" so you actually hire the CEO who hires the workers.

Actually you're more like a shareholder and if you don't vote for the Board than you are partly responsible for the direction of the company. Unless you are JW and want to let God have his will done, I think you should reconsider voting. tWINs

[drbrumley]

Originally Posted by bucksplasher

The company is a corporation not a single owner. This is a very big company...think GM. And you are on the "board of Directors" so you actually hire the CEO who hires the workers.

Actually you're more like a shareholder and if you don't vote for the Board than you are partly responsible for the direction of the company. Unless you are JW and want to let God have his will done, I think you should reconsider voting. tWINs

I'm sorry Buck, but a governenment cannot be run like a business. The fact that the government imposes taxes, legislates and is the only show in town (can momopolize services) and its' edicts win everytime just goes to show people just might prefer something else instead.

[bigbang123]

Originally Posted by drbrumley

You, like Obama, support Blue State fascism

Romney is a Red State fascist.

I have lost hope for the red state but not the blue state, yet.

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Republicans are finished

September 14, 2012

Pick an issue, any issue. The Elephant Party has become the Ostrich Party — burying its head in the sand, refusing to face reality and build bridges to millions of potential supporters. This year's convention was an apotheosis of all the mean-spirited attacks the tea party/Republicans have been waging against women, gays and lesbians, healthcare reform, China, Russia, undocumented immigrants, Iran, Iraq, Social Security, Medicare — without so much as a single, realistic, workable, compassionate solution to attract undecided voters. The GOP today is largely a party of rabid, old, white men in the unhappy dusk of their lives, railing against a nation in which they are no longer the dominant players. It is sad to watch — and sadder to be one of them. You can smell the mothballs of their memories and memorabilia (hats and banners resurrected for the convention), read the rage in their eyes.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opi...,7920623.story

[drbrumley]

Originally Posted by bigbang123

I have lost hope for the red state but not the blue state, yet.

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Republicans are finished

September 14, 2012

Pick an issue, any issue. The Elephant Party has become the Ostrich Party — burying its head in the sand, refusing to face reality and build bridges to millions of potential supporters. This year's convention was an apotheosis of all the mean-spirited attacks the tea party/Republicans have been waging against women, gays and lesbians, healthcare reform, China, Russia, undocumented immigrants, Iran, Iraq, Social Security, Medicare — without so much as a single, realistic, workable, compassionate solution to attract undecided voters. The GOP today is largely a party of rabid, old, white men in the unhappy dusk of their lives, railing against a nation in which they are no longer the dominant players. It is sad to watch — and sadder to be one of them. You can smell the mothballs of their memories and memorabilia (hats and banners resurrected for the convention), read the rage in their eyes.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opi...,7920623.story

To know your a blue state fascist is sad.

[bucksplasher]

Originally Posted by bigbang123

I have lost hope for the red state but not the blue state, yet.

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Republicans are finished

September 14, 2012

Pick an issue, any issue. The Elephant Party has become the Ostrich Party — burying its head in the sand, refusing to face reality and build bridges to millions of potential supporters. This year's convention was an apotheosis of all the mean-spirited attacks the tea party/Republicans have been waging against women, gays and lesbians, healthcare reform, China, Russia, undocumented immigrants, Iran, Iraq, Social Security, Medicare — without so much as a single, realistic, workable, compassionate solution to attract undecided voters. The GOP today is largely a party of rabid, old, white men in the unhappy dusk of their lives, railing against a nation in which they are no longer the dominant players. It is sad to watch — and sadder to be one of them. You can smell the mothballs of their memories and memorabilia (hats and banners resurrected for the convention), read the rage in their eyes.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opi...,7920623.story

Even if all the above be true...the young and "hip" will only quit spending when the "old white guy's" bank account is depleted.

Good luck to all of us then. tWINs

[Granite]

Originally Posted by drbrumley

To know your a blue state fascist is sad.

What does this nonsense even mean, doc?

[drbrumley]

Romney to Other Plutocrats: Half of America Is Undertaxed (Updated)

Posted by Ryan W. McMaken on September 21, 2012 12:15 PM


In his recent "47%" comments, Mitt Romney couldn't manage to be more than half right. He correctly pointed out that many Americans are dependent on government largesse, and that many of them won't vote for him. Okay, that's fair enough, and accurate.

But that's about the only accurate thing he said. In a recent article on this issue, Anthony Gregory correctly pointed out that Romney, of course, doesn't point out that many of his supporters also are welfare queens. He has plenty of supporters who live off the sweat of the taxpayer: Military personnel, old people, and bankers.

Romney also seems to think that poor people don't benefit from lowering taxes, since they don't pay income tax. Uh huh. According to Romney:

the president's approach is attractive to people who are not paying taxes because frankly my discussion about lowering taxes isn't as attractive to them

Sorry, but many of these people that Romney thinks "are not paying taxes" are indeed paying taxes. Romney may not know this, given that he doesn't know any actual poor people, but anyone with a minimum-wage job pays income taxes, and plenty of them. They're just called "payroll taxes." Remember that first hourly-wage job you had? Remember how a huge chunk came out of your checks for payroll taxes? Yeah. Those are income taxes, amigo. And everyone who gets wages pays them. Even if you're self-employed and you earn almost no money, you'll still have to pay the "self-employment" tax, which is also a tax on your income.

When conservatives whine about the people not paying taxes, what they're really saying is that half of America should pay more in taxes. What could better illustrate just how much conservatives hate freedom and free markets?

This whole line of reasoning was popularized by a recent Heritage Foundation report that stated “One of the most worrying trends in the Index is the coinciding growth in the non-taxpaying public.” (I blogged on the report here.)

Really? One of the most worrying trends we have is that many people aren't paying "enough" in taxes? Leave it to the conservatives to come up with such a masterful defense of freedom.

Of course that "non-taxpaying" public is much smaller than the report asserts since it excludes payroll taxes, and Romney has no interest whatsoever in cutting payroll taxes, since that would upset old people and truly lessen government revenue.

Nevertheless, this whole Americans-pay-too-little-tax talking point has been popular among conservatives in recent months. As a libertarian, however, I can tell you this: No American is undertaxed.

Note to old people: If you're on Social Security, you're on welfare. Since the Social Security "fund" is in deficit, every dime you receive comes straight from the paycheck of someone who is working right now. Also, many of those dimes are coming from people whom Romney defines as people who don't pay taxes.

UPDATE: Writes Tim: "Don’t forget how poor people pay taxes through price inflation. What little money they have doesn’t go very far. Ron Paul taught me about that 'hidden tax that nobody talks about'"