[dave3712]

Originally Posted by elisabeth e

A major problem with your chart:


Jared is Enoch's father, not his cousin.

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There are two Enochs in the genealogy, one in the line of Cain and all his descendents and the other Enoch in the line of Seth.





What is understood clearly in Genesis and Science is that these two lines re-united back together when the intercourse with Neanderthals occurred as stated in Gen 6:2-4.
If you willnote the hint that two Enochs and Two Lamechs are in the genealogy, hinting to us that this was the place where we can examine the science and compare what seems to be implied factually.







14) Gen. 6:4 There were giants, (Homo Erectus of Methusaelian and Methuselahian kinds according to the bible), in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God, (that line of ascent which would not become extinct, Methuselahian links, through Seth, i.e.; Modern Homo Erectus), came in unto the daughters, (the sister species of Tubal-cain, Naamahians, a late stage Neanderthal type), of men, ("daughters" of the previous adaptation of the Methusaelian line of Cain, i.e.; Homo antecessor, derived through the line of Cain), and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men, (Neanderthals), which were of old, (powerful) men of renown (physical strength).

[elisabeth e]

Irrelevant. Your relationships do not match either way.

And please stop posting those ridiculous pictures. I've seen them hundreds of times. They don't strengthen your argument. They make you look inept.

[egyptianmuslim]

Originally Posted by Ps82

Well, it is the picture I get from reading the holy writings of the men unto whom God came with words of truth ... both the OT and NT.

Why are you sure that God gave them the truth(NT)?
The truth shows itself no need for holy men to show it, If we describe the image of God giving Him a name we will have many God ie if a man comes and tells to worship Mahmouda the creator of the universe which is.........., and other tells to worship Moriso the creator of the universe which is.........., and other tells to worship Sokaro the creator of the universe which is..........,
Also if God shows His image to a group of people this gives other group the right to see him or to construct their own image/idol now we will have many words of truth

Q 3:64. Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allah, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allah. Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims."

You and I will probably never agree on things because I don't believe we accept each others holy writings. And from some things you have said, I'm not sure you accept all the things in your holy writings.????

God describes Himself in Quran as a man(hand, face,emotions) but in the same time He tells that nothing is in His likeness thus muslims do`nt know the exact meaning of some part of Quran because our knowledge is limited and not comparable to that of God

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It's sad that we are each looking for truth, but we aren't using the same WORD.
Even after I was able to show you that some of the verses you shared were quite compatible to verses and truths revealed within my Bible, you do not want to admit that they match.

Of course there is a great match between Quran and Bible( OT and the Gospel)
The commandments of God(in Torah) and the words of Jesus(in Gospel) to the people are the most important part of Bible to me and it affects me like Quran.

Without common ground we cannot come to terms on what we know about God.
BUT, I've enjoyed our conversation anyway.

God is the creator, He is One, His Characters is superior to any thing, we should do his commandments
The truth will be known completely after death.

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You asked me before about creation Of Adam

Ans:
Adam was created by the Hand of God
Q 38:75. (Allah) said: "O Iblis (Satan)! What prevents you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created with Both My Hands. Are you too proud (to fall prostrate to Adam) or are you one of the high exalted?"


Then He gave Adam the breath of life
Q 38:71. (Remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Truly, I am going to create man from clay".

72. So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him."

[Ps82]

Egyptian Muslim,
Just a quick answer to one question. I'm off to church. Why do I believe God gave man the truth?

Because I KNOW God is real, alive, and even knows what is going on in my life - even my future!
Because I believe there is a God who can do this and has shown that he is willing to have a personal relationship with me - of all people -
THEN .... I choose to trust him and believe by faith.