August 21st, 2012, 08:18 PM
I believe there are symbolic aspects of this particular vision of Christ.
And yet you haven't actually sat down and defined them. So itemise them for me.
I don't believe that the vision is personifying a spiritual/ethereal mush that you claim Christ to be.
Spiritual is not ethereal. That you think it is, shows us you are carnal.
God is a spirit. That Spirit lives within the born again person. It can't be seen physically. Yes that's right...that exact same Spirit of God can't be seen.
Similarly, when the demons left one whom they possessed and entered a heard of swine, no-one saw a bunch of guys (presumably with red capes and horns) flying from one into the other.
And so the bible declares that Christ made all things which are visible (temporal things) and things which are invisible (eternal things).
Now....it is highly unlikely that Christ is not eternal, therefore it is also not going to be the case that He is visible. For it is the invisible things which are eternal:
"the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal" 2 Cor 5:1
So your problem is two-fold:
1. You don't think, for if you did, you'd realise that no cat-scan or MRI is going to pick up a visible Christ in you, and no space shuttle is ever going to pass a bloke standing out in space with white woolly hair.
2. You don't know what a spirit is: you think it some sort of New Age concept. Thus you are unlearned in the NT scripture: you need to do a lot more reading (and I mean that).
When Jesus said that God is a spirit, He meant ALL OF God is a spirit. That you don't like this (and you don't), shows us you are still carnal. You are in actuality declaring God the Father inferior to God the Son, for you are quite happy for the Father to be a spirit (even though to your mind that declares Him ethereal, which means you contradict yourself), and yet not happy for God the Son to be a spirit (even though you agree He was a spirit and quite happy as one before He came in the flesh).
So you're all in a muddle.
This is a theology forum Mr SiG: it is a place where you are meant to learn, not a place to bring your Sunday school ideas to and present them as learned theology. Anyone can read a passage of Revelation about a man who shines brightly and has white hair, and take it literally. You don't need theology for that: all you need is a child-like mind. But as I said in the OP, many Christians need to leave their childhood behind.
NOTE TO ALL THE PSEUDO-INTELLECTUAL NUMBSKULLS
The concept of "a spirit" is not gnostic.
According to you lot, when Christ said "God is a spirit", and when the writer to the Hebrews said that God is "the father of spirits", you would have labelled both as gnostics.
The only reason you don't label them gnostics now, is tradition: you simply accept Jesus as someone on your side, so that when He says things which if said by others gets them the "gnostic" label, you simply ignore them and pretend He didn't say them.
Last edited by Colossians; August 22nd, 2012 at 06:20 AM.