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No. Your preconception that the flood did not happen forces you to believe anything that discredits its historicity. But...
Therefore, despite the many similarities between the two accounts, it would have been inconceivable to rewrite the Epic to the Genesis account, the more reliable one, unless the author was not only ethical, creative and logical, but also had enough knowledge about zoology, biology, physics, naval architectural skill, botany and ancient ethnic histories. If one does not accept the Genesis account as an historical record, there is no escaping the fact that an heroic effort has been undertaken to make that account appear to be historical.
The first five books of the Bible—Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy—are traditionally known as the Books of Moses, and he is quoted as the author of the last four. Nowhere does it say that Moses actually composed and wrote Genesis, but it is certainly a reasonable assumption that he was the compiler of that book.
Oh, no way! Using sites which only attempts to confirm the Bible in a clearly partisan way without any fact checking or attempts at neutrality. Who'd have thought that they would have thought something up for this?
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There's plenty of reason to think that the 'Epic' and Genesis are different quality accounts of the same events rather than being
one copied from the other.
What was my point and how was it refuted?
No there isn't. There should be only one account of a Global, fully destructive, dominating flood in which only a single person and his family survived. You might get slightly different accounts but to have wholly different stories with different outcomes and different gods. But one family passing on one story doesn't produce a whole lot of variety.
Nice try though.
Calvin: (after a long pause) I can’t tell if that’s funny or really scary.
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Oh, no way! Using sites which only attempts to confirm the Bible in a clearly partisan way without any fact checking or attempts at neutrality. Who'd have thought that they would have thought something up for this?
Wake us up when you're willing to read analysis from those more studied than you rather than prejudging everything.
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No there isn't. There should be only one account of a Global, fully destructive, dominating flood in which only a single person and his family survived. You might get slightly different accounts but to have wholly different stories with different outcomes and different gods. But one family passing on one story doesn't produce a whole lot of variety.
You've never seen a story change with different people telling it?
Wake us up when you're willing to read analysis from those more studied than you rather than prejudging everything.
Clearly you're not a fan of unbiased work or critical opinion.
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You've never seen a story change with different people telling it?
Have you ever seen a global devastating flood which wiped away all except about 6 people change as it was passed down to an entirely different story before it was even written down about those people involved?
The Epic has age on your Book. Utnapishtim wins (plus he got invincibility. What did Noah get?)!
If the flood did happen then there should only be one story, with very singular details. After all, if there was only one community it would be difficult for a story to deviate when the people involved were right there. And especially if Noah supposedly wrote this stuff down. It should not deviate by that much if what you claim is true.
So in all, if what you claim (Noah wrote down what happened) it would be nigh impossible for the details to change in such a way as to reflect that seen in the Epic (since those people would have access to a first hand document).
Calvin: (after a long pause) I can’t tell if that’s funny or really scary.
Anti-Death
2024 Life by Delmar: Homosexuality legal in all states; Government healthcare with abortion; Outlawing Bible by broadcast by hate crime laws
So much for divine inspiration. I guess it doesn't really matter what the bible says, it's all up for renegotiation by historians and historians-in-the-head.
Stuart
Reading a text requires that it be placed in a context (i.e. in a particular language to a certain people living in time and space). Christians confess the incarnation (i.e. God revealed in humanity). What would you expect from that kind of revelation?
Reading a text requires that it be placed in a context (i.e. in a particular language to a certain people living in time and space). Christians confess the incarnation (i.e. God revealed in humanity). What would you expect from that kind of revelation?
Peace,
Michael
I'd expect the interpretation to reflect whatever was convenient for the interpreter to believe.
Clearly you're not a fan of unbiased work or critical opinion.
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Have you ever seen a global devastating flood which wiped away all except about 6 people change as it was passed down to an entirely different story before it was even written down about those people involved?
No? Yes? I don't know.
How about you read the analysis of those better qualified than us and tell us what you think of what they present clearly instead of waffling on like this?
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The Epic has age on your Book.
Only if we accept your word on it. Experts say otherwise.
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Utnapishtim wins (plus he got invincibility. What did Noah get?)!
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If the flood did happen then there should only be one story, with very singular details. After all, if there was only one community it would be difficult for a story to deviate when the people involved were right there. And especially if Noah supposedly wrote this stuff down. It should not deviate by that much if what you claim is true.
There's absolutely no reason whatsoever to accept any of this.
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So in all, if what you claim (Noah wrote down what happened) it would be nigh impossible for the details to change in such a way as to reflect that seen in the Epic (since those people would have access to a first hand document).
Who said they had access? Why would you think they must have had access? The oldest extant accounts of the 'Epic' are 2000 years old, about the same as the oldest Genesis accounts. That's two thousand and a few years for the stories to diverge.
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