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CR and Jason are "closed minded" to the extent that, they "will not" consider, sound doctrine!!
I always, never fail, to consider sound doctrine, Icky. And you are correct in saying I am closed minded. It is a safeguard, a hedge, against every wind of doctrine that reveals itself against the pursuit of knowing God as Father and Jesus Christ whom He has sent. Ponder that before distorting it and sending it back your insulting remarks, "friend".
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September 20th, 2012, 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Cross Reference
I always, never fail, to consider sound doctrine, Icky. And you are correct in saying I am closed minded. It is a safeguard, a hedge, against every wind of doctrine that reveals itself against the pursuit of knowing God as Father and Jesus Christ whom He has sent. Ponder that before distorting it and sending it back your insulting remarks, "friend".
You have no "discernment" even when it concerns you personally!!
You keep quoting Calvin as if his words were Scripture. This is also what Calvin has said in regards to his murder of Michael Servetus.
"I hope the sentence of death will at least be passed upon him; but I desire that the severity of the punishment may be mitigated." Letter from Calvin to Farel, August 20, 1553, in Calvin, Letters p. 159
"He will be led forth to punishment to-morrow. We endeavored to alter the mode of his death, but in vain. Why we did not succeed, I defer for the narration until I see you." Calvin quoted in Schaff, History of the Christian Church, vol. 8, p. 783
What others have said about Calvin:
However, the reason for this was that Calvin wanted Servetus executed as an offender against the State. Hughes, in seeking to exonerate Calvin, informs us that "the death penalty was imposed by the civil authorities." Philip E. Hughes, The Register of the Company of Pastors of Geneva in the Time of Calvin. p. 18
The historian Leonard Verduin, writing for the Calvin Foundation, explains why: "Calvin wanted Servetus eliminated as an offender against the civil order. Death by fire was for offenders in the area of religion. Hence, Calvin's concern in the matter." Leonard Verduin, The Reformers and Their Step-Children, p. 52
Verduin further comments on Calvin's "plea of mercy",
Some have tried to make something of the fact that, late in the trial of Servetus, Calvin put forth an effort to have the man destroyed in some other way than by fire. However, the fact that Calvin was not opposed to exterminatio in the case of Servetus, merely against the proposed mode. Death by fire had been the punishment for heretics for more than a millennium, and Calvin, realizing that death for heresy was becoming questionable in the public mind, would have preferred execution by a means in which the sedition aspect rather than the heresy aspect of the man's deliction would stand out. In Calvin's mind, the one still implied the other - heresy implied sedition. Leonard Verduin, The Anatomy of a Hybrid (Sarasota: The Christian Hymnary Publishers, 1976, p. 207
"If carried out, Calvin's plea would ensure escaping the blame for the deed, not proving that he was being merciful, as some of Calvin's defenders attempt to prove." Laurence M. Vance, The Other Side of Calvinism, p. 96
"It is truly ironic that Servetus was burned in effigy by the Catholics and in actuality by the Protestants." Laurence M. Vance, The Other Side of Calvinism, p. 91
While, being burned at the stake, Michael Servetus' last words were:
"O Jesus, Son of the Eternal God, have pity on me!" Michael Servetus, quoted in Bainton, Hunted Heretic, p. 153
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I hardly see the point of answering you for you don't read my replies.
You evidently know more about Calvin than I do. Here is foolish, to chuck out Paul because you disagree wit Calvin.
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September 20th, 2012, 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Cross Reference
Ah, you did it anyway. But I "discerned" you would.
Actually CR you're a waste of time for anyone you come in contact with!! No offence, that's just a fact!! You're not really here to share
or learn, you're just here to argue and make a fuss. GM thinks you're a bit boring, again, no offence!!
Actually CR you're a waste of time for anyone you come in contact with!! No offence, that's just a fact!! You're not really here to share
or learn, you're just here to argue and make a fuss. GM thinks you're a bit boring, again, no offence!!
That's really too bad, Ick. Sorry you feel that way. Sorry you don't have a more complete knowledge of the word to conduct a decent discussion. I am even more sorry you are so blind to your own "ichabodish" disposition and inferiority complex, that you say the insulting things, purposed to bring everyone down to your "shallow" level__even from the beginning has it placed our paths in opposition to one another. That is indeed, too bad.
BTW, I have a lot to share but I will not have it trampled on by you or your crowd.
This is the will of Him who sent me that I should lose nothing of all He has given Me for the will of the Father is that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him should have eternal life and I will raise Him up at the last day.
No ifs
no buts
no maybes
no perhapses
no peradventures.
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