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Christ the seed that is the Holy Spirit in us that is our hope of glory is divinity, and this divinity is already in us (at least those who have the baptism of the Holy Spirit in us)!
When the fullness of Christ is formed from his seed that is in us, His divinity will be completed in us.
That will be the fulfillment of the high calling of Christ in us the hope of glory.
Anybody missing that needs to start all over again or as I said before, teachers who still need to be taught the foundational doctrines of Hebrew 6:1–2 because they have yet to learn their left hand from the right-hand!
Blessings
Doug
GOD is uncreated.
We are created.
There will never come a time when we can affirm that we were not created or that we had no beginning.
GOD is uncreated.
We are created.
There will never come a time when we can affirm that we were not created or that we had no beginning.
Steko,
They're saying that Jesus is not uniquely God because we will become God too. This is how they understand our being conformed to Christ's image. But Paul was speaking about our assuming His glorified humanity. He said that we will bear the image of the "heavenly MAN." 1 Corinthians 15:49
Some people will say some pretty outrageous things to deny that Jesus is our only God.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And <2532> as <2531> we have borne <5409> (5656) the image <1504> of the earthy <5517>, we shall <5409> <0> also <2532> bear <5409> (5692) the image <1504> of the heavenly <2032>.
2032 epouraniov epouranios ep-oo-ran’-ee-os
from 1909 and 3772; TDNT-5:538,736; adj
AV-heavenly 16, celestial 2, in heaven 1, high 1; 20
1) existing in heaven
1a) things that take place in heaven
1b) the heavenly regions
1b1) heaven itself, the abode of God and angels
1b2) the lower heavens, of the stars
1b3) the heavens, of the clouds
1c) the heavenly temple or sanctuary
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1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
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1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
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1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And <2532> as <2531> we have borne <5409> (5656) the image <1504> of the earthy <5517>, we shall <5409> <0> also <2532> bear <5409> (5692) the image <1504> of the heavenly <2032>.
2032 epouraniov epouranios ep-oo-ran’-ee-os
from 1909 and 3772; TDNT-5:538,736; adj
AV-heavenly 16, celestial 2, in heaven 1, high 1; 20
1) existing in heaven
1a) things that take place in heaven
1b) the heavenly regions
1b1) heaven itself, the abode of God and angels
1b2) the lower heavens, of the stars
1b3) the heavens, of the clouds
1c) the heavenly temple or sanctuary
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1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
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1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
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You totally ignored that Paul said that as we have born the image of the earthly MAN so we will bear the image of the heavenly MAN.
He is talking about our putting on glorified humanity. He is NOT saying that we will become God. You have no case. The image we will bear is the image of the heavenly MAN.
Furthermore, God said that no one became God before Him or will become God after Him, Isaiah 43:10
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Reason: correct spelling
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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May 14th, 2012, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Livelystone
Christ the seed that is the Holy Spirit in us that is our hope of glory is divinity, and this divinity is already in us (at least those who have the baptism of the Holy Spirit in us)!
When the fullness of Christ is formed from his seed that is in us, His divinity will be completed in us.
That will be the fulfillment of the high calling of Christ in us the hope of glory.
Anybody missing that needs to start all over again or as I said before, teachers who still need to be taught the foundational doctrines of Hebrew 6:1–2 because they have yet to learn their left hand from the right-hand! Blessings Doug
Slogan/motto:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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May 14th, 2012, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote
You totally ignored that Paul said that as we have born the image of hte earthly MAN so we will bear the image of hte heavenly MAN.
He is talking about our putting on glorified humanity. He is NOT saying that we will become God. You have no case. The image we will bear is the image of the heavenly MAN.
Furthermore, God said that no one became God before Him or will become God after Him, Isaiah 43:10
Slogan/motto:
Your faith is what you believe in and by their fruit you shall know them
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May 14th, 2012, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by steko
GOD is uncreated.
We are created.
There will never come a time when we can affirm that we were not created or that we had no beginning.
It is not a case of when the vessel (a.k.a. body) was made but the origin of the spirit within it.
This applies to Jesus Christ as well. Jesus was never in existence until the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, however, the spirit of Christ that was in Jesus is the sevenfold Spirit of God has always been in existence. (Isa.11:2)
The Holy Spirit that is in those who have been baptized with the Holy Spirit, have been given the “earnest” of the Holy Spirit that is the sevenfold Spirit of God. (2nd Cor.1:22; 2nd Cor.5:5)
The word “earnest” means partial payment (early rain) indicating the possibility of an increase of the balance remaining (latter rain) providing the conditions are warranted.
If the fullness of the Holy Spirit that is the fullness of Christ be in us the, the fullness of the divinity of God is in us. The apostles who had the mind of Christ did the works of Christ while Christians today with the mind of man only do the works of man, that do not include divine works because it takes the mind of Christ to do divine works.
This is why Paul says to the Christians “let this mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus” while he spoke of himself and the other apostles as having the mind of Christ. It was the mind of Christ that has always been in existance that is the presence of divinity and in the apostles that allowed them to do signs and wonders a.k.a. miracles.
However ther mind of man as found in the spirit of man, did not come to exist until after the fall
Blessings
Doug
Please read and support: "Modern Day Prophet" by Douglas Duncan
Slogan/motto:
Your faith is what you believe in and by their fruit you shall know them
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May 14th, 2012, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote
You totally ignored that Paul said that as we have born the image of the earthly MAN so we will bear the image of the heavenly MAN.
He is talking about our putting on glorified humanity. He is NOT saying that we will become God. You have no case. The image we will bear is the image of the heavenly MAN.
Furthermore, God said that no one became God before Him or will become God after Him, Isaiah 43:10
Amen!
However if the same spirit be in us that was in Jesus Christ then we "are one with the Lord".
Because Jesus Christ had the fullness of the Spirit of God the Father in Him, He said when you see me you see the Father because it is all the same spirit!
Blessings
Please read and support: "Modern Day Prophet" by Douglas Duncan
Ro 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 ¶ For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
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