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Father, forgive them. They know not what they speak.
You address God as "Father" and yet you suggest that He does not lovingly persist with His sons.
Hebrews says that our earthly fathers chasten us for a "few days." Is not the heavenly Father much more loving to persist?
Refute my points from Hebrews 12:6-12 or be quiet.
"The Bible is very clear, Christians aren't supposed to be busybodies, nor are they supposed to strive with any man who hasn't harmed him (Or someone else, by implication.)" RandPaulfor2016, May 10, 2013
You address God as "Father" and yet you suggest that He does not lovingly persist with His sons.
Hebrews says that our earthly fathers chasten us for a "few days." Is not the heavenly Father much more loving to persist?
Refute my points from Hebrews 12:6-12 or be quiet.
So, in GOD's image, as a father of living sons, if you have any, when they turned 18 and decided for themselves to leave your house, join the USMC and go to war in Afghanistan, you locked them in your house and refused to let them go?
You put them in your will and when you die they take the inheritance that you gave them and threw it in the ocean and in your will you provided for a salvage vessel and divers so that they would go get the son's inheritance and bring it up from the bottom of the sea and force your son to take it?
So, in GOD's image, as a father of living sons, if you have any, when they turned 18 and decided for themselves to leave your house, join the USMC and go to war in Afghanistan, you locked them in your house and refused to let them go?
You put them in your will and when you die they take the inheritance that you gave them and threw it in the ocean and in your will you provided for a salvage vessel and divers so that they would go get the son's inheritance and bring it up from the bottom of the sea and force your son to take it?
That can only be what he [they] are saying. Nothing else can explain such weird thinking.
Nice misquote of Scripture......you took eternal security of the believer, (key word: believer) and turned it into OSAS, which is not contained anywhere in the Bible.
BTW, none of us is disputing the eternal security in Christ of "the believer".
We all can choose to believe, or not. We all can believe and then decide to not believe. If we stop being a believer, we automatically stop all of the guarantees associated with being a believer.
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The key to your sloppy thinking is this
If you say you believed to be saved...but now you are not saved then plain as day you never were saved in the first place...your faith was not the faith spoken of in the scripture.
Bible faith is the SUBSTANCE [or if you like the substanciating, the bringing into reality] of things hoped for.
If your faith had been bible when you believed on Him to save you...you would be saved.
Likewise if your faith were bible faith when you believed in Him for everlasting life you would have recieved everlasting life.
The fact that this [whatever it was you recieved] has ceased shows that you never recieved what God promised.
If you say you believed to be saved...but now you are not saved then plain as day you never were saved in the first place...your faith was not the faith spoken of in the scripture.
Bible faith is the SUBSTANCE [or if you like the substanciating, the bringing into reality] of things hoped for.
If your faith had been bible when you believed on Him to save you...you would be saved.
Likewise if your faith were bible faith when you believed in Him for everlasting life you would have recieved everlasting life.
The fact that this [whatever it was you recieved] has ceased shows that you never recieved what God promised.
And if, as you declare, all mankind became totally depraved after Adam's transgression then this could not be a possibility:
". . . . and men began to call upon the Name of the Lord". Gen 4:26__could it??!!
And if, as you declare, all mankind became totally depraved after Adam's transgression then this could not be a possibility:
". . . . and men began to call upon the Name of the Lord". Gen 4:26__could it??!!
I do not aspire to the doctrine of total depravity, you need to study my posts and learn.
I DO believe that of his self man is totally UNable to help himself in the matter of salvation, God the Holy Ghost must first do a work of grace in the heart.
I do not aspire to the doctrine of total depravity, you need to study my posts and learn.
I DO believe that of his self man is totally UNable to help himself in the matter of salvation, God the Holy Ghost must first do a work of grace in the heart.
Call it anything you like, you are stating you do believe in "total depravity".
So, with that made clear by your above contradiction, how
'bout now deal with Gen 4:26??
TL,
I have known personally, men that have been saved by grace through faith in Jesus. If they had entered eternity in the state of saved in that portion of their lives, they would be in eternity forever with the Lord.
However, the concerns of the world, the charisma of sinful behaviors, the instant gratification of fleshly desires fulfilled, all choked the Gospel of our Lord and Savior out of their lives.
They decided that Jesus and GOD just did not have what they really wanted and they left. And their current state is worse than the state they were in prior to their salvation in Christ.
If they die today, in their sin, they are condemned to Hell for their unbelief, for abandoning their faith in Jesus.
They were living a fruit-bearing Christian life in Christ Jesus and turned and walked away from it.
It is NOT a situation where they were never saved.
It is NOT a situation where they are still saved, sinning "not unto death".
BTW, my 2nd and 3rd statements above are merely paraphrases of actual Scripture.
You are looking at the seed that fell by the wayside, the seed that fell among thorns and the seed that fell on shallow soil.
I look upon the seed that fell upon good ground, that it should bear fruit manyfold was certain.
"be careful how you listen to God's word" this is the order of the day, I see great lack of respect and awe for God's word, lack of hunger and desire for it, lack of cherishing it.
You are looking at the seed that fell by the wayside, the seed that fell among thorns and the seed that fell on shallow soil.
I look upon the seed that fell upon good ground, that it should bear fruit manyfold was certain.
"be careful how you listen to God's word" this is the order of the day, I see great lack of respect and awe for God's word, lack of hunger and desire for it, lack of cherishing it.
Dude,
I fully understand the parables of Jesus, including that of the sower of the seeds. Some of those seeds never had life, some of them had life for a short time, some for a longer time, and some for all time.
What you are missing is that you deny that those who had life for anything less than for all time, to you they never had life. You deny the life that was in them and was choked out by the cares of the world and Satan.
Meaning? There are those who are made alive spiritually by Jesus and their salvation is given up by them due to many reasons. You all deny that they were ever alive in the spirit, even though that is clearly what JESUS taught.
BTW, save your prophetic words for someone that believes in old time prophecy practiced by men today. I am not one of them.
What you put forth as a prophetic utterance is like a generalized statement of truth in a Chinese fortune cookie.
Nice try.
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