[PureX]

Originally Posted by lifeisgood

It always amazes me that some people 'hear' only what they want to hear. The diatribe was about "my friends."

You asked a question, and I answer the question.

[Layla]

Originally Posted by lovemeorhateme

That's not what I was saying. What I am saying is that poverty in the USA isn't true poverty. At best it is 'relative poverty'. Believe me, I have lived well below the poverty line in the UK for long periods of my life although I currently don't. I thought I knew what poverty was. Then I went to Uganda and it changed my whole view on what poverty and money actually is. You should go there first before railing on about what you believe is poverty in the USA.

Have you ever lived in the USA? While I agree that third world poverty is on another level, I'd also say that, without a doubt, poverty in the US is far more extreme than in the UK. I wouldn't say our poorest citizens in the UK (excluding the homeless, I suppose, though even they have many avenues for help) live in real poverty. I would say that a large amount of American citizens do. The UK and USA are not comparable.

And while the US level of poverty may still be relative in comparison to the third world, does that make it any less awful in itself? Does that mean that the US should not even discuss how to handle this issue? What is the matter with you? Ugandans are suffering worse, so to heck with poor Americans? Third world economies are an entirely different issue than the people suffering within the borders of one of the richest countries on the planet.

[This Charming Manc]

'Pay unto caesar what is caesars ... '

Cease your lying, God says pay your taxes there not theft.

Unlike the Jews of Jesus time who had the chance choosing your government, and helping the policies and tax rate.

You lost the argument but its lawful, its not theft and get over it.

Originally Posted by drbrumley

Unless your voluntarily giving your money to said taxing authority, they are stealing from you. No consent=theft.

[Layla]

Taxes are part of living in a society. If you like the benefits of the society, you take the aspects you like less as well. If it doesn't balance out for you, go live in the third world or the wilderness. Go plant a farm and live off your land and treat your own medical conditions and make your own electricity and gather your own water and kill your own meat and quit bitching about paying taxes when the truth is you rely on society for many, many things.

[PureX]

Originally Posted by LKmommy

I do not need the government FORCING me to do more. No thanks.

Of course you do. We all do. None of us are going to willingly pay for government services that we don't need to use, ourselves. Because, basically, we are all selfish, greedy, and short-sighted. We'll pay to put the roads and sewers in front of our own homes and in our own neighborhoods because we can use them, but we won't willingly pay to build them anywhere else. Yet we need the whole system for these systems to work. And that's where the government comes in. They step in and MAKE us pay for the whole system, in spite of our selfish whining, because that's what needs to be done. And that's the government's job.

[LKmommy]

Originally Posted by Alate_One

What if "the park" is on the other side of town and you can't afford gas money? Not too surprising since many inner city areas lack greenspace.

You mean not paying farmers not to produce crops? There's a reason for things like the CRP, it takes marginal farmland out of production and conserves it for when it is truly needed, say this year.

So you don't want big government but yet you want to police what people eat? My solution would be to subsidize food costs in such a way that healthy food is cheap food. Market based solutions, crazy.

You're ascribing stereotypes about liberals to me that are not true. My solution is not necessarily "bigger government" it's more effective government. My only concern is what actually works to help people. I'm interested in actual research that can tell us that, not what anyone's much less my "heart" tells me.

I don't disagree, but exposure to new environments new people etc. works wonders. I'm watching this with my own child.

I'm not asking Mitt. I'm asking society. Does it make sense that the financial sector, which produces nothing is financially rewarded to such an extreme degree.

I'm not coveting, I'm simply asking, does it make any sense for people like me, or teachers or people that work physically demanding jobs make so much less than someone that moves money around, helps some companies and destroys others?

Why should people at the bottom be totally unable even to support themselves with the wages they receive? While people at the top have car elevators and dozens of mansions?

In some cases you simply need to get government out of the way! Stop government from attacking unions. Workers need to be empowered, not CEOs.

You want a socialist society not the one we have.

[LKmommy]

Originally Posted by PureX

Of course you do. We all do. None of us are going to willingly pay for government services that we don't need to use, ourselves. Because, basically, we are all selfish, greedy, and short-sighted. We'll pay to put the roads and sewers in front of our own homes and in our own neighborhoods because we can use them, but we won't willingly pay to build them anywhere else. Yet we need the whole system for these systems to work. And that's where the government comes in. They step in and MAKE us pay for the whole system, in spite of our selfish whining, because that's what needs to be done. And that's the government's job.

I am opposed to giving more to those who do not do for themselves. Let them starve if they will not work and are able to do so.2 Thessalonians 3:10

[PureX]

Originally Posted by LKmommy

I am opposed to giving more to those who do not do for themselves. Let them starve if they will not work and are able to do so.

Of course you are. That's why we need the government to make us do what needs done.

[Saved.One.by.Grace]

$5.7 Billion UN Anti-Poverty Agency's Actions Do Little to Reduce Poverty

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[Frank Ernest]

"Legal plunder can be committed in an infinite number of ways; hence, there are an infinite number of plans for organizing it: tariffs, protection, bonuses, subsidies, incentives, the progressive income tax, free education, the right to employment, the right to profit, the right to wages, the right to relief, the right to the tools of production, interest free credit, etc., etc. And it the aggregate of all these plans, in respect to what they have in common, legal plunder, that goes under the name of socialism." -- Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850)