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May 13th, 2012, 06:03 PM
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This is why there is nothing in the New Testament that even comes close to Catholicism.
Oops! Try again...
Nice one. You have just proven that Robert Pate is right.
Your link is full of proof that Catholicism is nothing like the New Testament.




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May 13th, 2012, 06:08 PM
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Catholics like to mix justification with sanctification.

Justification: God's work for us in Jesus Christ (the Gospel)

Sanctification: God's work in us by the Holy Spirit.

It is heresey to confuse these two separate aspects of salvation.
You will always speak heresy when you redefine the words used in the Bible to something not in accordance to the definitions the words actually have.

Here are the definitions the words have by themselves whether they are used in the Bible or in some secular text.

Justification: become righteous
Sanctification: become holy (set apart from mundane)




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May 13th, 2012, 06:30 PM
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You will always speak heresy when you redefine the words used in the Bible to something not in accordance to the definitions the words actually have.

Here are the definitions the words have by themselves whether they are used in the Bible or in some secular text.

Justification: become righteous
Sanctification: become holy (set apart from mundane)
Justification: become righteous -- I became righteous before God the day Christ accepted me into His family.

Sanctification: become holy -- the Holy Spirit helps me each day to separate myself from the mundane and look more and more toward the spiritual or to be more and more Christlike.
   
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May 13th, 2012, 07:57 PM
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You will always speak heresy when you redefine the words used in the Bible to something not in accordance to the definitions the words actually have.

Here are the definitions the words have by themselves whether they are used in the Bible or in some secular text.

Justification: become righteous
Sanctification: become holy (set apart from mundane)

Justification means to be MADE righteous not to become righteous, Romans 5:19.

Sanctification means to be "In Christ" or to be set aside by God.
   
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Sorry, but the correct teachings are already in the Bible and are accessible to individual laymen.
Well, sure they are---and the result has been the invention of some 38,000+ competing and contradictory man-made non-Catholic denominations and sects in existence today, with more being concocted every week. The correct teachings are indeed in the Bible---too bad that Protestantism has no real means of authoritatively establishing exactly whose private interpretations are actually true.



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Your link is full of proof that Catholicism is nothing like the New Testament.
...only as compared to the theological opinions of your preferred non-Catholic sectarian doctrinal tradition. The problem with that, however, has already been stated in Post #65 above.



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