[Caino]

Hope and change, the Harvard grading curve of sucsess.






Caino

[aCultureWarrior]

I thought in the world of liberals, the Church was supposed to be separate from the State?

"Holder to Brief Black Pastors on How to Promote Obama from the Pulpit

Attorney General Eric Holder, the IRS, and the liberal lawyers at the ACLU will brief several hundred pastors in the African American community on how to participate in the presidential election — which the Congressional Black Caucus chair expects will help President Obama’s campaign.

“We will have representatives from nine denominations who actually pastor somewhere in the neighborhood of about 10 million people, and we’re going to first of all equip them with the information they need to know about what they can say and what they cannot say in the church that would violate their 501c3 status with the IRS,” Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., told MSNBC today.

“In fact, we’re going to have the IRS administrator there, we’re going to have the Attorney General Eric Holder there, we’re going to have the lawyers’ organization from around the country, the ACLU — all giving ministers guidance about what they can and cannot do,” he noted."
http://visiontoamerica.org/10021/hol...om-the-pulpit/

[bigbang123]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

I thought in the world of liberals, the Church was supposed to be separate from the State?

Sept 30, 2011

More than 400 pastors will be using their pulpits to preach politics and challenge the Internal Revenue Service's regulations that restrict religious leaders from endorsing candidates and discussing policies with their congregations.

Oct. 2 is Pulpit Freedom Sunday, and this year Alliance Defense Fund and its supporters have quadrupled its participation from last year. Last year, 100 pastors committed to the event, but this year, registration lists are exploding, with 475 pastors who will participate in the event.

ADF created Pulpit Freedom Day project through its Pulpit Initiative to protect the church's religious freedom, said ADF senior legal counsel Erik Stanley, the event's spokesperson. Stanley told The Christian Post that ADF has purposely kept the event small for the past three years to gauge the IRS' reaction.

On Pulpit Freedom Day, registered pastors are encouraged to videotape themselves speaking to their congregations about the Scripture, politics and political candidates, and mail those videos to the IRS. ADF then stands ready to evaluate IRS complaints and legally represent those churches or ministries whose 501(c)(3) nontaxable status has been threatened in court.

Since the project began in 2008 with 33 pastors, no churches have been investigated or had their tax-exempt status revoked due to their participation.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/mo...-pulpit-56944/

BOTH LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS DISOBEY THE LAW.

[bigbang123]

Originally Posted by bigbang123

BOTH LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS DISOBEY THE LAW.

Wed May 30, 2012 at 05:20 AM PDT

Wow! Your jaw will drop. The Bishops throw the gauntlet down. Vote the way we tell you, or..

...burn in hell.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...e-tell-you-or-

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by bigbang123

BOTH LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS DISOBEY THE LAW.

My post was more directed to your fellow B. Hussein Obama lemming (The Barbarian), who goes out of his way to say that the Founding Fathers didn't intend for the Church to be involved in politics, and vice versa (which of course is a lie).

So conservative Christians are not "disobeying the law" when they get involved in the political scene, it's liberals such as the ACLU and Obama and his Marxist lemmings that are being hypocritical.

[bigbang123]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

the Founding Fathers

One of the founding fathers,Thomas Jefferson, was a deist like myself.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-c...Own-Bible.html

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Fait...-Dunghill.aspx

http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by bigbang123

One of the founding fathers,Thomas Jefferson, was a deist like myself.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-c...Own-Bible.html

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Fait...-Dunghill.aspx

http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/

Whatever.

My point is that the ACLU, the same organization that prevents a girl from singing Ava Maria at a high school graduation, is now saying that it's ok for left wing government employees, on taxpayer time, to go into Christian churches and pimp for votes.

Do you not see the hypocrisy there BB123?