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May 28th, 2012, 03:25 PM

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I don't have any need to beg God for mercy

Titus 3:4-5 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

and neither do you. God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself not imputing your trespasses unto you (2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV). The Lord Jesus Christ (not Mary) was made sin for you. The Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins (not Mary), was buried and on the third day God raised Him from the dead for your justification proving that ALL of your sins are paid in full. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.


Rather, it is because Christ died on the cross for your sins that you should trust Him believeing the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV), the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth. Romans 1:16-17 KJV)She is not your pattern (1 Timothy 1:16 KJV).

Who is it that a believer today is told to follow?

1 Corinthians 4:15-16 KJV For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

1 Corinthians 11:1 KJV Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

2 Timothy 2:2 KJV And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

2 Timothy 2:7-8 KJV Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things. 8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
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[font="Georgia"]Because not only did Christ accomplish our redemption on the cross, but that redemption must also be applied to each individual by the Holy Spirit. And the application of Christ's redemption takes place, in part, through prayer.
The righteousness of God is upon all them that BELIEVE.

Romans 3:21-22 KJV But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Romans 4:23-25 KJV Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.



   
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The righteousness of God is upon all them that BELIEVE.

Romans 3:21-22 KJV But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Romans 4:23-25 KJV Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Amen. However, you forgot these and these.



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May 28th, 2012, 05:34 PM

Matthew 6:6"When you pray, go to your inner room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. "

Thus says the Lord; "Call upon me and I will answer you, I will show you great things beyond the reach of your knowledge."

"They shall call upon my name and I shall hear them, I shall say they are my people and they will say the Lord is my God."

My teaching is not my own it comes from the one who sent me.
Whoever chooses to do his will shall know about this teaching namely, whether it comes from God or whether I‘m speaking on my own.
Whoever speaks on his own seeks his own glory, but whoever seeks the glory of the one who sent him is truthful, and there is no dishonesty in his heart.
Stop judging by appearances, judge righteously.

I did not come on my own, the one who is true sent me, Him you do not know.
I know him, because I come from him, he’s the one who sent me.The Lord and I are One.

I came into the world as light, so that everyone who believes in me might not remain in darkness.
And if anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not condemn him, for I did not come to condemn the world but to save it.

Whoever rejects me and does not accept my words he already has his judge, namely, the word that I have spoken that’s what will condemn him on the last day,
because I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and speak.
And since I know that his commandment is eternal life what I say is spoken just as He instructed me."



   
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May 28th, 2012, 06:05 PM

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Amen. However, you forgot these and these.



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Suppose that you're right. Can it possibly harm us to beg God for mercy? Suppose it can't help us. Can it harm us?
Begging God for mercy would be an indication that I don't believe I have received mercy.

2 Corinthians 4:1 KJV Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

Ephesians 2:4-9 KJV But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:5 KJV Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Which He shed on us abundantly through Mary? NO! through Jesus Christ our Saviour!

Titus 3:6 KJV Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;



   
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Yes, it is.
Thanks...that's why I said it.



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