[noguru]

Originally Posted by Nazaroo

Open Letter to "noguru", 'TOL legend' in his own mind...

Lets cut to the quick, the essential point of disagreement between us
at the moment, in regard to the gospel. (I'm sure there'll be others).



As a Christian, US Law is only relevant insofar as it follows Biblical Law.
I have no respect for the law of any country where it breaks God's Law.
That is the required Biblical priority regarding Law.
Live peacefully as far as possible with others in any country,
but have no loyalty to any country when it is in conflict with God Almighty.

If you defer to US Law or any law or give it priority over God's law,
you are a traitor to Christ and God.

When God's word and conscience conflict with local or state or religious law,
the Christian follows conscience and God, even unto imprisonment and death.
The faggot destined for the Lake of Fire prefers to follow state law, and worship the state in place of God.



And not once have you bothered to loudly preach that they should repent
and receive the Gospel of Jesus Christ the Messiah, Saviour and Redeemer of the World.
You prefer Middle Eastern food to preaching to Muslims.

Most committed Christians who risk their lives daily
to preach the Gospel where it is illegal and sometimes lethal,
would call you a worthless servant of your own belly.

And that would obviously make them completely unrecognizable as actual committed Christians. Its fair to recognise that most people don't measure up to being messengers of the Gospel. Its pathetic that you would accept and excuse it, and call those failures "Christians".
The martyrs of yesteryear and even of today elsewhere in the world
would see through your rationalization and self-serving, mammon-serving greed and hypocrisy.
Jesus, in contradistinction to you,
would certainly advise IGNORING the opinions and respect of other people,
and instead advise focussing on the opinion and respect of God Almighty. (Jn. 5:44)
Your modern "wisdom" stands in direct contradiction to Jesus
the Lord of Lords, and my Leader (but not, apparently, your leader). (Matt. 16:24-25)

Paul's idea of "appropriateness" was to be able and willing to preach "in and out of season". (2nd Tim. 4:2)

Jesus' demand was to follow Him, even against family, friends,
the friendship of the world, and one's own job/career,
in "this shameful and adulterous generation" (Mk. 8:38, Lk. 9:26, Matt. 10:33)

Another doctrine invented by you alone, but not found in the Gospels or N.T.

The Herodians, derived their authority from ROME, not God or "Judaism".
They were not even Jews, but actually Edumeans (Edomites), favored by Rome,
and who in the time of Jesus actually controlled and appointed the priests,
and especially the High Priest.
John the Baptist obviously spoke out publicly against this Edomite "king" (ruler),
who was not a Jew.
He offended both Herod and Herodias (both foreigners) so much, that he got himself imprisoned and beheaded.

The ruling priest parties, including the Sadduces ("Sons of Zadok") who claimed a hereditary lineage but were complete UNBELIEVERS (i.e., NOT followers of the true faith at all...) were also publicly rebuked and ridiculed by Jesus. They cannot by any means be classified as "insiders", followers of the religion of Jesus, or even believers of any credible kind. They worshipped money, as Jesus openly proclaimed, and they were fakes not followers.

The Pharisees, an ancient KKK-like party of racists, who rejected even other Israelites and 'mamzers' (half-breeds) as untouchables (like the caste system of India). The very word "Pharisee" from the Hebrew/Aramaic "pharsin", "to divide, separate" means "Separatist".
Jesus rightfully utterly rejected them also and humiliated them in public, denying that they followed either Him or God, and He characterized them as "blind" fools leading the blind into hell. These sectarians also cannot be considered "Jews", "followers of Moses", or representative of Jesus' own religion.
When the gospel of John refers to "His own, who rejected Him" (cf. Jn 1:18), he was referring to racial and tribal relations, not religion.

These various sectarian and divisive parties (like the Muslims)
must be considered apostate, unrepentant, non-followers of Jesus or the O.T. faith,
and therefore far outside the religious tradition of Jesus.

When God "commands men everywhere to repent, and receive the Gospel of Jesus Christ", (Acts 17:30)
he makes NO DISTINCTION WHATEVER between Jews and/or Israelites,
and/or Christians, versus non-Jews, or non-followers, or Muslims.

Jesus and the Apostles do NOT say,
"Leave the Muslims alone! Preach only to the converted,
or rebuke only those inside your church."

This is the purest anti-Christian B.S. ever forged by Satan in the bung-hole of liberal Mordor.

So far, I've stuck to your bad doctrine, and your weak "Christianity".

But in post #43 you really take the cake,
and expose how poorly you follow your own doctrine of 'polite' Christianity:



- Apparently invoked because I characterized McDonald owners as apostate.



All because I pointed out the divisive nature of Jesus' public ministry,
hardly something to be denied, given it caused His public crucifixion.



The greatest political leader in history was 'safe' and 'non-dangerous'? Please.



The personal attacks continue, when all I did was attack your doctrine.
Maybe you should just stick to attacking the points you disagree with,
rather than switch to personal attacks.



More personal attacks, when the arguments continue to fail.


The charges pile up, but the evidence is lacking.

The personal attacks are warranted against you are warranted. They are based on your behavior here, nothing else. First you refer to me as a weak Christian for not standing up for truth. Then when I do stand up for truth against you, you become a whining little coward and say "personal attack". If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Your new claims about my witness are as ill advised as your last claims. You know absolutely nothing about how I preach the Gospel, because you do not listen to what I actually say. You will be held accountable for your false hoods about me when in front of God.

Your credibility is zilch, nada, zero. Trying to use the Bible to prop up your own non existent credibility is your own fools errand, because you are incompetent in the things for which you claim to have competence.

[Angel4Truth]

Originally Posted by Nazaroo

Your problem is you think that the "Gospel" doesn't include telling off those who follow the wrong religion,
or who teach false teachings while claiming to follow the right one.

But the real Jesus had no hesitation calling out false teachers (Matt. 23:13,15), whole professions (Luke 11:46,52) and even whole religious groups and humiliating them in public.

... - the real Jesus had no hesitation calling out even those who thought they were His loyal followers. (Luke 6:46)

Your 'gospel' is a modern invention, modelled after "Jesus the Pacifist/cool philosopher-dude".

The real Jesus would tear you a new one for your timidity and confusion. (Matt. 23:27)

What would Jesus say to Muslims standing around McDonalds,
criticizing Christians?

PLENTY.

Originally Posted by Nazaroo

Its the way I have ALWAYS DONE BUSINESS,
ever since I became a committed Christian.
I lose a lot of jobs and contracts, but my integrity holds up fine.

Take your jobs and shove them.
I'm already employed fulltime by the Almighty.

But if I were to starve,
I'd say the same:
"God is able to save us:
But whether He saves us or not,
I'm not bowing down to your idol-worshipping whoredom!" (Daniel 3:16-18)

"Whatever; - our God is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and He can deliver from your hand if He so wills. But if He does not, let it be known to you, that regardless, we do not serve your gods, nor will we worship the gold image which you have set up." (Daniel 3:16-18)

Paraphrase:

"Whether God saves us or not,
we aren't going to listen to your weak B.S."

Thanks for playing.

Amen! Fantastic posts, there are not enough reps in the world for these.

[noguru]

The words and the applause are still echoing in A4T's head.

[The Barbarian]

So it ends with the final argument:

"WAAAAAA! McDonalds won't give us a place to say bad things about their customers! It's CENSORSHIP!!!"

[Joaquin Gough]

This whole issue sounds like two bald men fighting over a comb. Made-up religion A gets peeved at made-up religion B, complains about B and stops B doing the do...

I'd be inclined - as McDonald's - to put up a sign saying something along the lines of KEEP ALL YOUR RELIGIOUS CLAPTRAP OUT OF THIS RESTAURANT.