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August 30th, 2012, 08:15 AM

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So...the church of England and Scotland are cults because of what Biblical mandate...?
They dont have a Biblical mandate, that is the whole point of these churches nowadays. It is a form of control which is excerted over those who are in the congregations of these churches. Basically that is what the churches have come to in this day and age and in no way are they representing the teachings of the Christ. Simple because they dont know the Truth of these teachings.

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August 30th, 2012, 08:16 AM

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Doug, having read most of your book called Modern Day Prophet, I think the title is most apt by the way. A good book it certainly is and well written. I personally am happy enough to recommend your book to my friends.

Thanks for your dedication in writing all this down.

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Good morning Gatsby

Thank you for all the kind words, and I thank God for giving you understanding.

There has never been a book like this written before now, however as prophesied in the book of Daniel, the knowledge needed to write this book would not appear until the times of the end.

We are in the times of the end that will bring about the end of false worship, as well as the beginning of the time for a body of Christians who will give witness to the truth, the same as when the apostles in charge of the first century church healed the sick and raised the dead.

Paul spoke of this numerous times in the Scriptures, and for those with eyes that can see and ears that can hear, they understand this. Those whose eyes have been blinded by the god of this world cannot see this, and I did not write the book for them. (2Cor.4:4)

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August 30th, 2012, 07:11 PM

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They dont have a Biblical mandate, that is the whole point of these churches nowadays. It is a form of control which is excerted over those who are in the congregations of these churches. Basically that is what the churches have come to in this day and age and in no way are they representing the teachings of the Christ. Simple because they dont know the Truth of these teachings.

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You are making blanket generalizations without establishing a reference...just like Douglas.

You guys need to learn some debate skills...



   
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August 31st, 2012, 02:41 AM

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You are making blanket generalizations without establishing a reference...just like Douglas.

You guys need to learn some debate skills...
Your problem is you are denying the obvious.

Throughout history whenever the followers of God have been obedient to Him, God has responded with signs and wonders. It has always been signs and wonders that have proved the presence and blessings of God upon a chosen people.

This is the way it was in the Old Testament as well as in the New Testament through not only Jesus, but those who worshiped him in spirit and in truth aka the apostles and the first century church. God does not change, and if the Holy Spirit was present in today's church we would be seeing miracles, but the sad truth is genuine miracles have all but completely disappeared from the church.

Look at it this way: in the times of the 1st century church someone who had a disease and needed to be healed could go to their elders and everything would be taken care off. Today, the most the elders can do for anyone is give them a ride to the hospital. Sure they pray for the people and lay hands on them, but in 99.9% of the time nothing ever happens that would happen without the benefit of modern medicine. Get my point?

God makes the truth very clear that when people return to Him, He returns to the people and watches over them the same as He did to Old Testament Israel and the New Testament Church. Deductive reasoning would at least suggest that if someone such as myself whose teachings of the required knowledge of foundational doctrines (He.6:1-2) are different from what the church teaches, and witnessing miracles while the church does not, that the doctrines of the church are the culprit.

God is no different today then He was in Biblical times. Therefore, when the truth returns to the church the presence and power of God will also return to the church. That is when the church will have a mandate from God.

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August 31st, 2012, 09:43 AM

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This is the way it was in the Old Testament as well as in the New Testament through not only Jesus, but those who worshiped him in spirit and in truth aka the apostles and the first century church. God does not change, and if the Holy Spirit was present in today's church we would be seeing miracles, but the sad truth is genuine miracles have all but completely disappeared from the church.
Douglas....you seem to not yet understand the scripture that you keep referring to. You need to remember that when John speaks of 'Truth' it always refers to Jesus Christ!

So...really what you keep repeating is Trinity-worship...Father, Son & Spirit.

Just man-up and don't be afraid to say it loud and proud!



   
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August 31st, 2012, 10:15 AM

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Douglas....you seem to not yet understand the scripture that you keep referring to. You need to remember that when John speaks of 'Truth' it always refers to Jesus Christ!

So...really what you keep repeating is Trinity-worship...Father, Son & Spirit.

Just man-up and don't be afraid to say it loud and proud!
You need to figure out how to go from just having Christ the seed in you to Christ the tree of life in you that God can bring fruit from the same as he did with Jesus and the apostles.

When and if that happens, you too will be able to witness miracles

Your faith is what you believe and if what you believe in is the truth you will be of great faith. However, as long as what you believe in is not all truth, that has already been made very obvious, you will only be of little faith unable to witness miracles. This is why James says it is a prayers of a righteous man that gets a lot done, and why you and the vast majority of today's church cannot witness miracles.

James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Galatians 3:5
He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

The Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth, therefore it is the lack of truth in you and in the church that is keeping you from witnessing miracles.

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


It does not do you any good to understand the Trinity if Christ is not in you and working through you. You may well have gotten off with the right start but somewhere along the way you have been led astray.

Suggest you follow the advice of James and start confessing your faults.


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August 31st, 2012, 01:20 PM

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You need to figure out how to go from just having Christ the seed in you to Christ the tree of life in you that God can bring fruit from the same as he did with Jesus and the apostles.

When and if that happens, you too will be able to witness miracles

Your faith is what you believe and if what you believe in is the truth you will be of great faith. However, as long as what you believe in is not all truth, that has already been made very obvious, you will only be of little faith unable to witness miracles. This is why James says it is a prayers of a righteous man that gets a lot done, and why you and the vast majority of today's church cannot witness miracles.

James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Galatians 3:5
He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

The Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth, therefore it is the lack of truth in you and in the church that is keeping you from witnessing miracles.

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


It does not do you any good to understand the Trinity if Christ is not in you and working through you. You may well have gotten off with the right start but somewhere along the way you have been led astray.

Suggest you follow the advice of James and start confessing your faults.


Doug


So...tell us Douglas....just how strong your faith is...


How many people have you healed?

How many people have you raised from the dead?

How much poison did you drink today?



   
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August 31st, 2012, 02:17 PM

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So...tell us Douglas....just how strong your faith is...


How many people have you healed?

How many people have you raised from the dead?

How much poison did you drink today?
Read the book and see for yourself

http://www.bookdepository.com/Modern.../9781457502941

What you need to be concerned about is why you cannot recount God working any miracles through you for you to tell us about....... Amen? I think so!

The reason why you do not have any proof of God working through you is, because as James says, "faith without works is dead".

If you would quit beating around the bush and just learn the truth this sad but true fact about you could be changed

Unfortunately you prefer the traditions of man over the Word Of God............. Therefore your faith is dead. (Something I have known about you since the beginning of the conversation)

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Read the book and see for yourself

http://www.bookdepository.com/Modern.../9781457502941

What you need to be concerned about is why you cannot recount God working any miracles through you for you to tell us about....... Amen? I think so!

The reason why you do not have any proof of God working through you is, because as James says, "faith without works is dead".

If you would quit beating around the bush and just learn the truth this sad but true fact about you could be changed

Unfortunately you prefer the traditions of man over the Word Of God............. Therefore your faith is dead. (Something I have known about you since the beginning of the conversation)

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Just what I thought, Douglas....you can't do any of the things that the believing apostles did.

No surprise here.

Your faith must be weak...yes?



   
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Just what I thought, Douglas....you can't do any of the things that the believing apostles did.

No surprise here.

Your faith must be weak...yes?
The works done through me are recorded in my book!

http://www.bookdepository.com/Modern.../9781457502941

Where are yours recorded pray tell ?????????????





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The works done through me are recorded in my book!

http://www.bookdepository.com/Modern.../9781457502941

Where did you raise anyone from the dead, Douglas?

No where in your book.

According to you, then your faith is very weak!



Where did you drink poison and live, Douglas?

No where in your book.

According to you, then your faith is very weak!


Where did you instantly and miraculously heal anyone in public, Douglas?

No where in your book.

According to you, then your faith is very weak!



Your book can be read online for free, Douglas....why would anyone want to buy it?

How much did God tell you that He needed to charge for it, anyway?





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I have no need to promote a book for anything given to me by the Holy Spirit, like you do, Douglas.

Anything I have to give, is freely given.



   
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Where did you raise anyone from the dead, Douglas?

No where in your book.

According to you, then your faith is very weak!
It is recorded in the book and once again for the umpteeneth time in this thread, you are a bold face liar



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Where did you drink poison and live, Douglas?

No where in your book.

According to you, then your faith is very weak!
The only person talking about poison is you, and the only poison around here is what comes from your mouth


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Where did you instantly and miraculously heal anyone in public, Douglas?

No where in your book.

According to you, then your faith is very weak!
Recorded in the book and once again you are a bold face liar

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Who do you think made it available online to be read in preview form?.......... I did but for some reason you are either unable to read it therefore you want page numbers to read a preview.......or as I have already said.......... you are a bold face liar !!!!!!!

You have nothing to offer whatsoever.......... as already proven you cannot even discern the truth from newspaper articles without help let alone have a clue as to what the Bible teaches

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It is recorded in the book and once again for the umpteeneth time in this thread, you are a bold face liar





The only person talking about poison is you, and the only poison around here is what comes from your mouth




Recorded in the book and once again you are a bold face liar



Who do you think made it available online to be read in preview form?.......... I did but for some reason you are either unable to read it therefore you want page numbers to read a preview.......or as I have already said.......... you are a bold face liar !!!!!!!

You have nothing to offer whatsoever.......... as already proven you cannot even discern the truth from newspaper articles without help let alone have a clue as to what the Bible teaches

Doug

Douglas....your man-of-god 'prophet' skills are showing again....

If you had the evidence that you claim, then you would gladly share it.

You have nothing.



   
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